22 January 2008

St. Cronan's Supporters May Want to Read This

From Christianity Today:

Good Works Not Enough
Latest papal document urges Roman Catholics to win souls.
Francis X. Rocca, RNS posted 1/08/2008 08:20AM

Roman Catholic missionaries should aim to convert people and not restrict themselves to humanitarian good works, the Vatican said on December 14.

A 19-page document, which was personally approved by Pope Benedict XVI, draws on the controversial Vatican declaration he issued in 2000 that asserted Catholics alone have "the fullness of the means of salvation." The document aims to correct a "growing confusion" among theologians who argue that "it is enough to build communities which strive for justice, freedom, peace, and solidarity."


Of course, this assumes one cares what the Pope might have to say on this subject.


Anonymous said...

When will you discuss the MANY local Catholics who believe that good works are UNNECESSARY?
But thank you for acknowledging that we at St. Cronan's are doing good...BECAUSE WE MOST CERTAINLY ARE!

thetimman said...

Most human beings spend their lives doing some works that are good and some works that are evil. For a Christian, it is the practical result of the grace of Baptism warring agains the concupiscence brought about by Original Sin.

So, sure, you and your friends at St. Cronan's are likely doing many good works. However, I wouldn't count disobedience to the Archbishop, support for the ontologically impossible notion of women's priestly ordination, attending schismatic services and simulated sacraments, supporting same-sex "marriage" or the moral permissiveness of homosexual behavior, and rank liturgical abuses to be good works. You see, these are bad works.

And those persons who frown on this foolish and sinful behavior also do the good works to which I think you refer. See, you can be faithful to the Church and do good works, too. In fact, that is the usual way of a Catholic.

cmziall said...

Hmmm. . .any Christian can look in their Bible and see that good works are NECESSARY. . .

"Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Heavenly Father" Mt 5:16

"For we are his handiwork created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared, in advance that we should live in them." Eph. 2:10

"But let our people, too, learn to devote themselves to good works to supply urgent needs, so that they may not be unproductive." Titus 3:14

Here is just a few to get you started.

God Bless!

Anonymous said...

Does the blogger have any idea how many people have been converted in any area parishes? Before casting aspersions about St. Cronan's on this one, you might want to see how many people have been through RCIA there in the past year, how many baptisms there have been and how many people have decided not to leave the church because of this special...and oh yes, a little different... place.

And as for whether or not one cares what the Pope might have to say on a subject... you have no idea how deeply many at any church feel about this...

It's a cheap shot you're taking based purely on assumptions.

Peace to you.

thetimman said...

To Anon immediately above,

I do not retract my position that some in that church have taken public positions contrary to the teaching of the Church and that the Bishop is right to take public steps to correct the erring and prevent scandal and confusion.

That being said, I do think that some of my efforts to make a point through humor can be seen as a little bit of a "cheap shot", and that sometimes I post assuming that the reader has read every previous post about the current situation, and thus will not connect every dot with every post. These can lead to misunderstanding, too.

I am sorry.

I don't want to make my support of the Archbishop's actions with regard to some at the parish a position that is painted with too broad a brush. So, I have decided to refrain from posting St. Cronan's news unless and until there is a newsworthy reason to do so.

Thanks for the comment.

Anonymous said...

Converted? Into St. Cronan's? Well there are alot of protestant communities that have converts. This place is NOT a Catholic church as far as the doctrine is taught there. These people are not bad people, they just arn't Catholic. It's very simple. Not a belief, a fact. I've been there.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your compassion towards the St. Cronan's community!
Peace to you.

thetimman said...

If the anon immediately above is the same as before, thanks. And let me say that I hope the parish takes the opportunity at its assembly in February to really try to find a way to make its social ministry, which accomplishes much temporal good, fit into the Church's ministry-- and not vice-versa. The Church is the Church Christ founded. And He decided to establish a hierarchical, authoritative Church leadership made up of the Pope, Bishops and Priests taken from the ranks of men.