31 July 2008

Feast of St. Ignatius Loyola

Today is the Feast of the founder of the Jesuits, that once-glorious order whose sons include the following greats:

Blessed Peter Faber

St. Ignatius, ora pro nobis!


Anonymous said...

You forgot St. Stanislaus Kostka.

Anonymous said...

Why a once glorious order? At the recent general congregation, the Holy Father and the Superior General of the Society of Jesus both emphasised the special role that the Jesuits continue to play in the church. If the Holy Father considers the Jesuits to still be glorious, so should the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Why do you say once glorious?

Mr. Basso said...

looking at this small litany really brings into focus what a bastardized version of itself the order has become (for the most part) and what an uphil climb the next generation of orthodox jesuits have before them.

Anonymous said...

still is a great order

Long-Skirts said...


The power of the cassock
Is to lure
Like fishermen
To nets secure.

The power of the cassock,
Ebony shine,
A hull of hues
On deck Divine.

The power of the cassock
Anchors the man,
Dead to the world
In his sea-span.

The power of the cassock,
Weighted strength,
Before the mast
It's linen length.

The power of the cassock
Sails your soul
To greater depths
From shallow shoal.

The power of the cassock,
Captains' pure.
The fishermen,
Our land-locked cure.

thetimman said...

I said once-glorious to be provocative, yes, but also because the Jesuits, who indeed should and in some sense still do maintain a special place in the Church, have as a whole fallen far from their accustomed place. The anemic Catholicity of the Jesuit Unversities is a case in point. The fact that the Holy Father had to remind them at the general congregation that they really ought to be obedient to the Pope is another.

I mean, these are the great educators and missionaries-- the hammers of heretics and the spear of the counter-reformation! Now we get LGBT support groups.

There are many wonderful Jesuits left-- I hope many follow. When you find a good Jesuit, you really do have something special. But sadly for every Fessio there are many more not-so-much.

Anonymous said...

Ah, timman. You once again speak with great authority about something you know very little about.

Anonymous said...

St. Ignatius of Loyola was jailed by the Inquisition on several occasions. So, what therefore defines a good Jesuit? I guess Ignatius was not a good one, that is for sure.

Peter said...

I agree with timman. I was 'raised' by the Jesuits. I had their education in both high school and college. They were a great and powerful order. Not powerful because of earthly esteem but because of their humility and fervor for defending the faith and the HolyFather.
They trully were the shock troops of the Church. Now too often they are the ones attacking the Church. They have moved from education to spread the faith to education for the sake of education not for the glory of God.
I love the Order but pray that they may return to who they were.

PS> longskirts- that is my favorite poem of yours.

thetimman said...

Anon at 13:04,

true enough.

Latinmassgirl said...

Just look at the schools run by the now modern, liberal Jesuits, such as St. Louis University. They are far from St. Isaac Jogues who gave up his life for the Indian missions.

I had a very good priest tell me that they were so good, so the devil attacked them very hard, trying to destroy them from within. It doesn't mean that he succeeded, as I'm sure their are some dedicated Jesuits who are just under the radar.

YoungCatholicSTL said...

(Timman, not sure if this comment went through the first time. My apologies if you're getting it twice.)

Timman --

Generally, I am inclined to agree with you, but I have to differ here. Sure there are a lot of bad Jesuits out there, but there's also a lot of bad Dominicans, bad Franciscans, and even bad Legionnaires of Christ (I seem to remember some problems with Fr. Maciel).

The fact is, the Jesuits who dissent from the Church or the Pope get more talking space specifically because the Order is so famous both for the education of its members and the power and influence it has within the Church. When a Jesuit speaks in dissent, it gets press specifically because it is coming from a Jesuit. Dissent from other orders may be equally frequent, but because of their lack of influence and place in the Church, they will never get the press for it.

Additionally, some of the most famous Jesuits in the St. Louis area were well known for dissent from higher Church authorities: Fr. Marquette, Fr. DeSmet, Fr. Heithaus, etc. Yet, we don't look back on their negatives. I fear we often hold the Jesuits of yesteryear in a higher regard than we really should.

There are many very solid Jesuits out there right now. Some prominent conservative Jesuits are even in the media, like Fr. Pacwa, SJ of EWTN fame. But who in the media wants to cover priests actually preaching what the Church says? That's no fun!

Finally, I've seen both sides of the coin. I went to "other" Jesuit high school in town, and found the Jesuits at my high school to be quite conservative. In fact, one of them has been named as the possible administrator at St. Stanislaus, should the Archdiocese win the lawsuit. Yet, I've also attended the Jesuit university in town with some less than conservative Jesuits. Sure there are some bad apples in the Jesuit order, but I question whether the Jesuits are truly much worse than any other order.

Long-Skirts said...

Anonymous said...
"Ah, timman. You once again speak with great authority about something you know very little about."

...and you, anonymous know very little about great authority.

Anonymous said...

What do you mean, long-skirts? What great authority do I know little about?

StGuyFawkes said...


You forgot Gerard Manley Hopkins and Fr. Matthew Bowdern.