03 December 2008

Shocker: The World Hates the Church

From Reuters:

Vatican attacked for opposing gay decriminalisation

Tue 2 Dec 2008, 15:16 GMT
By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY, Dec 2 (Reuters) - Gay rights groups and newspaper editorials on Tuesday condemned the Vatican for its decision to oppose a proposed U.N. resolution calling on governments worldwide to de-criminalise homosexuality.

The row erupted after the Vatican's permanent observer to the United Nations told a French Catholic news agency the Holy See would oppose the resolution, which France is due to propose later this month on behalf of the 27-member European Union.

Archbishop Celestino Migliore said the Vatican opposed the resolution because it would "add new categories of those protected from discrimination" and could lead to reverse discrimination against traditional heterosexual marriage.

"If adopted, they would create new and implacable discriminations," Migliore said. "For example, states which do not recognise same-sex unions as 'matrimony' will be pilloried and made an object of pressure," Migliore said.

A strongly worded editorial in Italy's mainstream La Stampa newspaper said the Vatican's reasoning was "grotesque".

Pointing out that homosexuality was still punishable by death in some Islamic countries, the editorial said what the Vatican really feared was a "chain reaction in favour of legally recognised homosexual unions in countries, like Italy, where there is currently no legislation".

Franco Grillini, founder and honorary president of Arcigay, Italy's leading gay rights group, said the Vatican's reasoning smacked of "total idiocy and madness".

"The French resolution, which is supported by all 27 members of the European Union, has nothing to do with gay marriage. It is about stopping jail and the death penalty for homosexuals," Grillini told Reuters.


The resolution is to be presented by Rama Yade, France's state secretary for human rights. On Tuesday the Paris government defended the resolution.

"France's initiative ... is an initiative that is based on existing texts. The idea is not to create new rights. The idea is ... to make decriminalisation possible," French Foreign Ministry spokesman Eric Chevallier said.

Human rights groups say homosexuality is still punishable by law in more than 85 countries and by death in a number of them, including Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen.

Vatican spokesman Rev Federico Lombardi said "no one wants the death penalty or jail or fines for homosexuals" but defended Migliore's comments, adding that the Vatican was in the majority on the issue.

"It's not for nothing that fewer than 50 member states of the United Nations have adhered to the proposal in question while more than 150 have not adhered. The Holy See is not alone," Lombardi said.

An editorial in Rome's left-leaning La Repubblica newspaper said the Vatican's position "leaves one dumbstruck". Margherita Boniver, a leading member of the Italy's leftist Democratic Party, called it "alarmingly anachronistic".

Grillini, the gay rights activist, said he feared what he called another "Holy Alliance" between the Vatican and Islamic states at the United Nations to oppose the proposed resolution.

At a major U.N. conference on the family in Cairo in 1994, the Vatican teamed up with Islamic and Latin American countries to defeat an abortion rights proposal.

The Catholic Church teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are. But in October, a leading Vatican official called homosexuality "a deviation, an irregularity and a wound".


Anonymous said...

Is anyone naive enough to believe this resolution will make the middle eastern countries stop prosecuting homosexuals? The pope is wise in that the real purpose of this law is to criminalize any country that objects to gay "marriage" and discriminate against real marriage.

Show Me No Hate said...

I cannot believe you would risk the lives of innocent humans because of naivete? I would adopt anything blindly if I knew it would actually save lives. Isn't that our call as Catholics?

If not pass this resolution to stop the killing of homosexuals in the Middle East, then what? Did the Pope offer a public statement or decry this horrible crime? If so, then pass the resolution. If not, then wash your bloody hands Latinmassgirl.

No. I don't buy your hate filled Catholic heart. Christ himself compelled to stamp out every injustice in the Temples. Christ himself would of signed such a document.

It doesn't take a scholar to read history and see how the Vatican stood idle as people are killed. Just take a look at the Holocaust and you would see how the Vatican turned a blind eye during the deaths of the Jews [and homosexuals.]

The UN already sanctioned everyone the right to marriage [including same-sex] with its 1948 Declaration of Human Rights.

The Church needs to drop is homophobic rhetoric and start practicing what Jesus preached.

thetimman said...

Yawn, yes, the fashionable new "Christianity = hate" argument.

I love the way you know how much hate is in the hearts of people you never met. Does this sound a tad rash to you? Not very loving, perhaps? First you identify yourself as a Catholic (our call as Catholics) and then ascribe hatred to a heart because of that faith.

Sounds like you are conflicted. I suggest prayer and fasting, and a sound spiritual advisor.

Please also note that the Highest Good and the Primal Love is God--not the U.N. Charter.

I posted your "hate-filled" screed because, unlike your friends of political tolerance, I can handle free speech.

God bless you.