30 June 2009

A Reminder from the Holy Father

Thanks to Rorate Caeli for posting these oh-so-timely words of the Holy Father at First Vespers on the Feast of SS. Peter and Paul:

"In the last few decades, the expression ‘adult faith’ [fede adulta, 'grown up faith'] has become a widespread slogan. It is often used in relation to the attitudes of those who no longer pay attention to what the Church and her Pastors say — which is to say, those who choose on their own what to believe or not to believe in a sort of ‘do-it-yourself’ faith. Expressing oneself against the Magisterium of the Church is presented as a sort of ‘courage’, whereas in fact not much courage is needed because one can be certain of receiving public praise.

Instead, courage is needed to adhere to the Church’s faith, even if it contradicts the 'order' of today’s world. Paul calls this non-conformism an ‘adult faith’. For him,
following the prevailing winds and currents of the time is childish.

For this reason, it is part of an adult faith to dedicate oneself to the inviolability of life from its beginning, thus radically opposing the principle of violence, in defense precisely of the most defenseless. It is part of an adult faith to recognize the lifelong marriage between one man and one woman in accordance with the Creator’s order, re-established again by Christ. An adult faith does not follow any current here and there. It stands against the winds of fashion."


I would like to see the response of Bozek and friends to this address. Of course this would probably fall on deaf ears. As I heard Mother Angelica say on an archived EWTN program the other day:

"You cannot reason with someone who has chosen not to believe."

and this gem:

"Liberals have no doctrine. Just name one; I'd like to know what it is..."


Anonymous said...

These are not owrds against liberals. He's clearly speaking directly about SSPX.

thetimman said...


Clearly? Because the SSPX doesn't support traditional marriage or the inviolability of life?

Can't see it.

Anonymous said...

"...courage is needed to adhere to the Church’s faith, even if it contradicts the 'order' of today’s world. Paul calls this non-conformism an ‘adult faith’."

SSPX may spout some similar principles, but they CLEARLY do not "adhere to the Church’s faith."

thetimman said...

They certainly do adhere to the Church's faith in all respects-- that is why they are despised.

You can certainly criticize their obedience to governing authority-- there is room for criticism there. But there is no dogma or doctrine of the Church that they oppose.

Long-Skirts said...

Our Holy Pontiff said:

"Expressing oneself against the Magisterium of the Church is presented as a sort of ‘courage’, whereas in fact not much courage is needed because one can be certain of receiving public praise"

and Anonymous said:

"These are not owrds against liberals. He's clearly speaking directly about SSPX."

Oh, my goodness, Anonymous do you really believe that the good Bishops & Priests of the Society of St. Pius X have received PRAISE??? This Order has been at the Front for the WHOLE Catholic Faith for all of us! And they're reviled. The Pope is most definitely talking about the "liberal" or "cultural" Catholics.


Brer bishops, brer priests
And brer people of gods
Changed the Mass with their winks
Lost the Faith with their nods.

Brer mother of ten sighed
”Do I speak cause a feud?”
Brer people of god's laughed
"Chill out...Take a lude."

Brer priest said "Ms. Brer, have a coke
Serve with me
And together we'll create
A worldwide harmony."

With these words brer mother got sick
And threw-up.
Brer priest urged her
"Go...if you won't drink our cup."

"So you're urgin' I go?"
And her head she did scratch
"Jus' please don't throw me
In no Pius the 10th Patch!"

But brer priest flung brer mother
Out the door, threw the latch
And forced her to land
In a Pius the 10th Patch.

And now at Assemblies
All dressed in Izods
Are brer bishops, brer priests
And brer people of gods

Who can hear but ignore
Brer mother of ten
Singin' and dancin’
Alone once again

"I was born and raised
In a Pius the 10th Patch
And there still ain't no match!"

Fr. Andrew M. McAlpin, O.P. said...

A failure in logic anon. Nothing has created more angst and fear among my prog and lib colleagues and brethren than the Moto Proprio and the inevitable reintegration of the SSPX into Holy Mother Church.

The spirit of this age is not cheering for the SSPX and congratulating them for resisting "the man". No, that spirit is reveling in the countless so-called Christians who refuse to acknowledge the horror of a twisted mindset that sacrifices its own children for a nicer car and a bigger house.

Anonymous said...

Fr Andrew,

Seems that you are really down on our culture that "sacrifices its own children for a nicer car and a bigger house." Sorry to break up your fear party, but two quick notes:

1) The "Me-Generation" found its Father during the Reagan Administration, where greed became an American virtue, where wealth became the end all, and where the upward mobility triumphed over what was best for the common good. Maybe you want to revert to 'these good ol' days,' but for the poor, the disenfranchised and all those who fell through the safety net in America, this was the evil time when America not only turned it's back on the poor, but vocally started blaming the poor for being poor.

2) I work with youth. This current generation is far more engaged in volunteering and trying to make the world a better place than the youth of 25 years ago.

It does no good to set up straw men to blast, when in truth, the youth of today is far more altruistic than 25 years ago.

thetimman said...

I love the distortion of the Reagan days. Yes, anon, he created greed. "America" turned its back on the poor-- you realize this is a statement devoid of meaning, yes? America? Huh? Charitable giving during the Reagan years was at an all-time high, both in total dollars and as a percentage of income. Inflation went from double-digits (the most regressive of taxes) to a negligible percentage. Interest rates and unemployment fell dramatically from the days of the second-worst president in US history Carter.

Your second point, being entirely anecdotal, cannot even be addressed.

You are right when you say it does no good to set up a straw man to blast.

thetimman said...

P.S., Father Andrew, I have been greatly tardy in congratulating you on your priestly ordination.

God bless you.

Anonymous said...

Timman, before you get too misty-eyed remembering the old Gipper, here is some truth that probably doesn't fit into your preconceptions:

"The epitaph of the Reagan presidency will be: 'When Ronald Reagan became President, the United States was the largest creditor nation. When he left the presidency, we were the world's largest debtor nation.'" --Lester Thurow, MIT professor of economics

"Mr. Carter is acting as if he hasn't been in charge for the past three and a half years; as if someone else was responsible for the largest deficit in American history." --Ronald Reagan, nationally televised campaign speech, October 24, 1980. (Federal deficits totaled $252 billion under Mr. Carter. By the end of Mr. Reagan's presidency, federal deficits would total over 1.4 trillion.)

"A trillion dollars would be a stack of $1,000 bills 67 miles high." --President Reagan warning in February 1981 that the national debt, accumulated over the United States' 200 year history, is approaching $1 trillion. (Under Reagan, the national debt would nearly triple to $2.9 trillion.)

"In the Reagan years, more federal debt was added than in the entire prior history of the United States." --Richard Darman (Reagan advisor), Who's in Control? Polar Politics and the Sensible Center

"Reagan's theory was really 'trickle down' economics borrowed from the Republican 1920s (Harding-Coolidge-Hoover) and renamed 'supply side.' Cut tax rates for the wealthy; everyone else will benefit. As Reagan's budget director David Stockman confided to me at the time, the supply-side rhetoric 'was always a Trojan horse to bring down the top rate.' Many middle-class and poor citizens figured it out, even if reporters did not." --William Greider, magazine article, "The Gipper's Economy"

After the election of 2000, Bush and a Republican-led Congress reduced income taxes, with the majority of the tax cuts going to America's wealthiest individuals. With the introduction of Bush's tax cuts, the budget surplus immediately disappeared and deficits resumed. By the end of Bush's eight-year term, the national debt stood at $10 trillion -- double its level when Bush assumed office.

Anonymous said...

In response to Mother Angelica's inane comment: "Liberals have no doctrine. Just name one; I'd like to know what it is..." I have some answers. These are areas where the Vatican and Obama agree - so maybe the Vatican and Pope Benedict are "liberal?"

1. Need for multilateralism in international affairs.

2. Desire to wind down the Iraq War, which American conservatives seemed to adore while the Pope JP II and the Vatican vehemently opposed.

3. Nuclear disarmament.

4. Protection of the gift of our earth.

5. True concern for the poor, the powerless, the disenfranchised.

6. Agreement that preemptive wars is morally wrong.

7. Great praise for our tradition of Catholic social justice teachings. (Which this site continues to ignore, and calls it misguided when pronounced by Bishops, and 'communism' when confronted by the laity.)

8. Obama speaks repeatedly of his intent to work for a reduction in the number of abortions, versus politicians who only have given it lip service during election cycles while never fulfilling their promise. (Need I remind you that the Republicans had Bush, the majority in the House and Senate, and had appointed 9 of the last 11 Supreme Court Justices.)

There is a reason why 8 million more Americans voted for Obama than McCain. Sorry, Timman, but that's what we call democracy, not communism!

thetimman said...

Anonymous, I love that you consider your laundry list of political talking points to be "doctrine". I believe you have given the truth to Mother Angelica's "inane" comment.