That's our own Canon Jason Apple in the foreground, with fellow Canons Raphael Ueda and Frederic Goupil. From the ICRSP site.
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12 July 2009
Priestly Ordinations in Florence for the ICRSP by Archbishop Burke
That's our own Canon Jason Apple in the foreground, with fellow Canons Raphael Ueda and Frederic Goupil. From the ICRSP site.
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This is awesome, just awesome! Is that Canon Lenhardt with His Grace?
St. Louis is so blessed to have the Institute!
Wow, I didn't know they had cameras in the 1600's!
That is Canon Lenhardt, former rector of the Oratory.
And yes, I guess they did. But that's a good thing; we need more 1600s Catholicism in the 2000s.
Terrific pictures. Thanks! The Institute shows the beauty of the Church marvelously!
“we need more 1600s Catholicism in the 2000s.”
Don’t know about that, timman. We need 2009 Catholicism – in full union with tradition which preceded it. We’re going forward into the future, enriched and guided by the glorious traditions of our past. No Catholicism of the 1600s - thank you.
So there you have it. "We need more 1600s Catholicism in the 2000s."
While most normal Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit continues to work in the hearts of mankind, and continues to unfold through history, you believe the best was behind us?
Yes, 1600s were great, if you didn't mind slavery, beating children to obey, priests being the only people who could read, laypeople having no understanding of Latin, and all the other warm fuzzies that the 1600s must conjure up for you.
Interesting that you are using very 21st century tools to try to turn the church back 400 years!
Fortunately, the Traditional Latin Mass is not about turning the Church back to the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1950s, or the 1970s. Beauty and reverence are every bit as relevant in 2009 as any other time in Church history.
I, for one, am grateful that very 21st century tools like digital cameras and the Internet are being used to show the timelessness of the traditional liturgy. Its beauty and pageantry can be appreciated by even more people around the world.
Anon, my 1600s rejoinder was meant in a certain sense to be ironic. No one who attends a TLM community can fail to notice the appeal the extraordinary form has on the young. These places are populated with lots of young families and lots of children. This is not a "nostalgia" trip.
The faith is the same in the 1600s as it is now. It is timeless. It is the Catholic faith. My comment was intended to forward that notion. There was no "spirit of Florence II" in 1662 to try to trash 1600 years of Catholic Tradition.
The Institute draws upon ancient tradition and forms and beauty to praise God, foster devotion and glorify Him through His Church. I think there is some ignorance, and some jealousy, of those who carp against them for their use of beautiful things to glorify God.
The progressives who would set beauty and truth against service to the poor make a false choice. In any event, they certainly know nothing of the Institute's missionary work in Gabon, Africa, where they minister to the poor, baptize, and celebrate the liturgy with all the attention to detail and beauty. For, in the end, it matters not where the Mass is celebrated-- Versailles, St. Louis, Rome, Pamplona, Wausau, Libreville, Gricigliano-- or what the color of skin the faithful have, or what their native language is. They preach Christ, proclaim the Gospel, and hand down the faith.
A.D. 1600, 2009, or 33.
Our heartfelt congratulations to Abbe Barga and Canon Apple! The ordination ceremonies are indeed impressive. The Church deserves nothing less. God bless all priests and seminarians of the Institute.
Congratulations, Canon Apple!
We are looking forward to your official "First Mass" at the Oratory.
Timman,
Our church is going in the right direction in allowing the Latin Rite Mass to come back alongside the Novus Ordo. Our church definitely has space for both.
The Latin Rite Mass certainly has grown as a tradition through the years. The main emphacis to me is on God's transcendence, might and majesty. It is certainly beautiful in the quiet reverence and awe.
None of us really think that it is very similar to the Last Supper that Jesus shared with his apostles. But this rite certainly captures what you said the "ancient tradition and forms and beauty to praise God, foster devotion and glorify Him."
Maybe a few might have "ignorance, and some jealousy, of those who carp against them for their use of beautiful things to glorify God."
Instead of making this an "either/or," I'd rather see you start couching this in the "both/and" terminology.
The spirit of Vatican II was, in effect, trying to be even more traditional than the Latin Rite Mass. It's goal was to go all the way back to the year 33 AD, when Jesus spoke in Aramaic, not Latin, in ways that his poorly-educated Apostles understood. Yes, when Jesus spoke with his friends it was less formal, more intimate, and an actualy meal. Surely Jesus didn't turn his back on his friends for the consecration. The Novo Ordo stresses the immanent God, the God found in community and with the Holy Spirit's presence.
Please do NOT get me wrong - there are things done quite poorly in both. There is heresy in both sides - God is not just transcendent, and God is not just immanent.
I, for one, would much rather this site use the both/and verbiage instead of what comes across as "my way is better than yours."
The fact is, I am totally glad that the Church is allowing people to practice the faith that gives them life, in whatever tradition it is. That, to me, is what the word "catholic" should mean.
Anonymous, I appreciate your thoughtful comment. I have no agenda to immediately jettison the ordinary form of Mass. If the Church allows it, she allows it.
I would disagree with some of your comment, though I fear there isn't space for the debate in these comboxes. Specifically, the notion that the novus ordo is a closer representation to A.D. 33 worship 1) likely isn't true, and 2) even if true is beside the point.
There is no evidence apart from a speculation based on an incomplete record that Christ used Aramaic for the words of consecration at the Last Supper. Now, don't do a spit-take. I admit it is likely he did; however, it is not certain. It is almost certain that Jesus could and did speak Latin, as His interaction with the centurion and Pilate indicates. We don't _know_ that he did not in fact say verbatim "Hoc est enim Corpus Meum."
Does it matter? No. But also, the representation by DaVinci in the Last Supper, of the company at one side of the table has historical scholarship to back it up. In other words, Christ probably did face the same way as his apostles at the first Mass.
And, finally, there is lots of evidence that the Mass of the early Christians had a strong resemblance to the TLM we see today.
But, be that as it may, even if the n.o. were closer to the first Mass in form, the Popes (notably Pius X and XII) condemned the notion of a forced antiquarianism that necessarily equated old with good. The acorn and the grown oak look different, but are the same organism.
This may surprise you from a traditonal Catholic, but that is the point. Growth is organic, springing from the essence of the thing, not manufactured in a committee room. Such change does not ring with authenticity.
The n.o. (as typically celebrated) does focus on the imminent, which I think is to the great neglect of the transcendent. The Holy Father's comments on this in "The Spirit of the Liturgy" are instructive.
But I ramble. I agree there is room in the Church for different charisms, practice, etc. No doubt. As long as these are approved by her, in conformity with her teachings, great.
I think that most traditionalists would say that the extraordinary form places proper emphasis on BOTH transcendence and imminence, whereas the ordinary form seems (as it is typically celebrated de facto) to be inept at conveying either (but, yes, particularly the transcendent). Just because it is easier to understand does not mean it better shows God's imminence. I for one feel God's imminence much more during the old Mass, whereas years of the new Mass left me cold.
LB
Well, I know I'm a bit late, but congratulations to Jason Apple, if he sees this, from a member of the Oakland Diocese apostolate!
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