28 August 2009

Oh Boy! What a Great Idea!!!

Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

...Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.

The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. ...


That'll show the haters! Hail the Leader!


Anonymous said...

Seriously, if George W Bush had proposed the exact same thing, do you think you would be reacting in the same way?

Seems that "W" curtailed far more liberties, ones that had the lefties all up in arms. Under him, the govt could look up any person's credit card and phone activity, what flights they took, and even what books one checked out of public libraries. Adn goodness knows the violent reaction had Homeland Security had said it was targeting militia and right-wing political/religious organizations for extra scrutiny had that been initiated under Obama's tenure instead of "W's!"

I would consider myself a centrist. Part of me totally understands this, e.g. the govt has the right to protect its citizens against violence and the loonies out there. Simultaneously, there is something really creepy about all this! And that doesn't even mention the exponential growth of cameras on every major intersection and every few miles of highways in America, nor the tremendous amount of spy satelites that have been launched in the past 8 years...

Stepping back, it seems rational that if a group like al Qaida was able to launch a virus or worm with the capabilities to, lets say, destroy the memory or clog up every computer hooked to the internet - I would WANT the govt to step in and protect us, wouldn't you?

Or is this again one of those things where its not the substance that matters - it is the person under whose administration this begins that does?

thetimman said...

Seriously, if George W Bush had proposed the exact same thing, do you think you would be reacting in the same way?"

Absolutely yes. I was and am against the Patriot Act, and do not support violating the Constitution's protections against unreasonable search and seizure, freedom of speech and association, right to counsel, and habeas corpus in the name of security or convenience or whatever.

Alison said...

Does this mean I should put, "Repent, Obama, Repent!" at the end of every email and blog comment.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon 1441,
Speaking for myself, I was very uncomfortable with all of what one might call the 'loss of liberty' actions that the Bush Administration inserted into Federal Law. My disagreement with this act has nothing to do with party politics, in fact I believe that without the 'ground work' of the previous 8 years the current Administration could not even consider floating such a Bill.

Years ago my Father-in-law used a metaphor to describe the difference between the political parties; Republicans load the cart, Democrats un-load the cart. Periodically there is a need for both actions.

I would say today, that metaphor no longer applies. It appears now that Republicans lay the groundwork for Democrats and Democrats seize the ground.

Mark S.
New Haven, MO

just wondering said...

anon 14:41
news phlash.....did you realize that, GEORGE BUSH IS NOT THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE!!! THE TIME FOR COMPARE AND CONTRAST IS OVER. i was just wondering...

Anonymous said...

Just wondering: Life doesn't happen in a vacuum. Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

As the Timman and Mark S said, we are where we are today because basically what just happened yesterday.

And one of the purest signs of an advanced intellect is the ability to compare and contrast. None of us should get lobotomies so we forget tomorrow, unless you have some sort of desire to live in zombie-land.

So if you'll excuse us, we'll continue our discussion about where America came from, where we are now, and where we might be going in the future.
thank you.

Anonymous said...

There is no doubt that the Democrats were swept into power because of the incompetencies, tragic errors (Iraq War), massive deficits (taking Clinton's surplus and giving it to the uber-wealthy) and clinging to the status quo at all costs. Like it or not, President Chenney and VP Bush are the primary reasons why Obama is where he is today. For a while, we had the best government money could buy.

It probably is only a matter of time - 4, 8 or 12 years before the Democrats succumb to the corruption that seems to breed in politics, giving rise to a revamped Republican party that offers hope and change.

These things follow a cycle, just like life tends to do.

Latinmassgirl said...

Isn't anybody but the Timman alarmed?

This new government control over the internet would mean that Obama could virtually eliminate any opposition to his plans, such as health care. That must be why he is currently collecting webistes and names of people who oppose him on his new snitch website.

The Communists main way of controlling the people was by controlling the media, and free speech. This isn't socialism, this is Communism at its worse.

Anonymous said...

Dear Latinmassgirl,

Had you read all the blogs above, you would have realized that many of us are alarmed not just by this, but by the intrusion into our private lives begun by President Bush in the 'name of national security.' This is only a small continuation under Obama from Bush's Patriot Act.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that, had Obama tried to institute what Bush did under the Department of Homeland Security, there would have been almost a near-revolution.

I think you're a little too alarmed by all this - it's kind of like you slept through the last 8 years and suddenly woke up now.

You are a good example of someone who pays little attention to the substance of what happens in our government, but pays a lot of attention to whom is making the substantive changes.

E.g. did you really like knowing that Bush/Chenney were able to pull up and review each and every single book you checked out of a library?

Oh, and acc. to Bush, we're supposed to feel more safe because of this - not more alarmed (as both of us are.)

just wondering said...

dear anon 21:59 - forgive me for my inferiority to your superior intellectuality, you will just have to endure my comments as i am forced to endure yours. i have no desire to forget tomorrow, that would mean living without hope. you seem to have all of the answers as to all of the problems of the world, maybe you should be president. the reason our country is in the state it is in, is because we practice child killing unabated. God uses His enemies to chastise His friends. the comment about the demoncrats succumbing to corruption, oh that is rich. they are wallowing in corruption, churning it out faster than their minds can conceive how to corrupt next, as are most politicians. we live in a society that wants to kill God and worship rocks and trees. can you really believe that a revamped republican party is the answer for what ails America? it is child killing that is destroying us friends, and unless we put a stop to it - democrats,republicans, whoever we are not going to pull out of this mess. i apologize for ranting, my lobotomy is still fresh.