28 October 2009

Local [Tabloid Newspaper] Covers Local [Pretend Priestess-to-Be]

I have hesitated to post on this for a few reasons.

First, the story, scandalous and sinful as it is, qualifies as somewhat of a bore. The ladies have been there, done that. How many dress-ups will we be forced to endure, anyway? From a newsworthiness perspective, my reaction is this: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Second, the RFT is at least as credible as the entire "womenpriest" movement.

Third, attention is what these people crave, and here I am giving it to them. Yee-haw.

In the end, though, the upcoming installment of the pretend ordination of the fairer sex (please, no emails), as covered by the RFT in the story below, did provoke in me the following observations:

  • Is there a regulation haircut for galpriests?
  • Does this poor deluded woman's former membership on the Board of the St. Louis Public Schools give us an insight on why they aren't so hot?
  • Does her former position as teacher in area parochial schools give us similar pause?
  • Based on the story, should we note a connection between the schismatic gals and the schismatic St. Stan's semi-Catholic land of heresy?
  • And, finally:
Is this:

The opposite of this?:

From the story at RFT Blog:

Third Local Woman to be Ordained a Roman Catholic Womanpriest

Marybeth McBryan, a former member of the St. Louis Public Schools Board of Education and current deacon at Therese of Divine Peace, will be ordained as a Roman Catholic Womanpriest this Sunday.


McBryan says she's prepared to face criticism from Roman Catholics and others who don't believe women have the right to deliver sacraments. "I don't believe that I'm in any position to judge anyone, so I kind of take the attitude that [my critics] aren't either. Nobody died and made them God."

McBryan is currently a real estate agent. She taught elementary school in a number of area parochial schools over the years and subbed for a time in the St. Louis Public Schools. She says she joined a convent in O'Fallon at age seventeen but left the sisterhood and later married.

McBryan says she raised her kids in the Roman Catholic Church and sent them to parochial schools. She has fallen in and out of the church at times, worshipping most recently at two institutions led by excommunicated priests: St. Stanislaus Kostka and Therese of Divine Peace.


"I have some really good friends who are priests, but they've been amazingly silent since they received my invitation," she says. "I know they wouldn't come to my ordination -- but not a word of congratulations or, Gee, how are you? None of that.

"It's just what we learn to live with."


Anonymous said...

You sure let these people get to you.

HSDAD said...

Woo hoo! Anonymouses are back (I liked it better without it)

You know, it's a good start to a costume get up for trick-or-treats, maybe all that's needed to round it out is a mask and a bag. It's FUN to play pretend, isn't it? I'd be a gas if the reality of it wasn't so heretical or cause such scandal. No treat for this trick.

StGuyFawkes said...

Three things strike me about this story:

1.) Tte RFT is entirely silent on the location of this "rite".

2.) Should this "rite" happen in the Archdiocese of St. Louis then our Archbishop will have received a challenge of sorts.

3.) What he does or doesn't do will tell us a lot about him and a lot about what we can expect form the dissident community in the future.

Peggy said...

O my, you are into self-punishment reading the RFT. I haven't read that rag since college. I mostly read to see where my fave bands were. And I bought into the leftist screeds in my misguided youth too.

Anonymous said...

I predict that in a suprise move to make sure he stays the center of attention a newly ordained Bishop Marek Bozek will ordain.

Anonymous said...

Even when I was a protestant, I could not pay attention when a woman was delivering a sermon. That must be something odd about me. Maybe the women would not be in such a hurry to be offering the sacraments as priests if they had not been allowed to do be alter girls, do the readings, and be extraordinary ministers. A woman baptized my baby in the NICU at St. John's when I requested a priest. My priest did the ceremony at our church when she came home. Women are being allowed to do much in the church because of the lack of men volunteering or being asked to do it. As a convert, I am conflicted. Why allow women at the altar? The priest has been demoted to the person who can offer sacraments and not all sacraments (baptism). I will comment anonymously because I don't want to be identified. On a lighter note, if more than one person posts anonymously, are they collectively referred to as anonymice?

pfinley said...

Perhaps the Priests she knew were silent simply because they were busy praying for her soul?

Anonymous said...

Re anon at 22:18.
ALL Christians are allowed to Baptize another individual during time of mortal danger, such as your experience iwth your infant in St. John's NICU.

In my Catholic grade school, they even taught us in 2nd grade that we, as children, could perform this, say, if we came across a car crash.

I really don't think our loving God in Heaven is going to base one's entrance into heaven based on the gender of the person who baptized them during their final minutes of life!

Another Anonimice

Jane Chantal said...

Dear 3rd Anonymous(e) :-) As a convert from Protestantism myself, I can relate very much to what you're saying. As a Protestant, I felt that the role in Christian worship that is proper to men was being usurped, and find that in the Catholic Church this unfortunately seems to have happened to a large extent as well.

In my opinion, it is not at all unfair for worship leadership roles to be reserved to men. It is merely keepng the playing field level, as God intended.

Females are honored by God with a very powerful gift that males do not have: the ability to physically bring new human beings into this world. (Crazed campaigners for gender-neutrality have been trying very hard to change our perceptions about the importance of this gift, but have not yet succeeded in doing an end run around it.)

Only in the worship setting -- and particularly in the Catholic priesthood -- can men collaborate with God on a similar level. And they are supposed to!

I think that at this point, many people are starting to feel that while it was well-intentioned, the decisions to allow altar girls and female eucharistic ministers were unfortunate. These developments have dramatically altered what once was a fertile environment for the nurturing of priestly vocations.

We all should be crying "unfair!" at the marginalization of men and boys in the worship setting.

StGuyFawkes said...

Jane Chantal,

You wrote,

"In my opinion, it is not at all unfair for worship leadership roles to be reserved to men. It is merely keepng the playing field level, as God intended."

Thanks for saying this. I have had this very same thought in my mind for more than a decade and I ahve been afraid to express it. I always thought it would anger Catholic women.

I happen to believe that two of the reasons the Church disallows women priests are:

1.) The natural creativity of the womb is a mystery of itself and...

2.) If you mix it with the mystery of the altar you eventually create a .......


Has no one noticed that the womenpriestesses refer to God as "Gaia" the pagan earth godess?
Somehow "womyn" at an altar always translates into animistic earth worship.

The process by which priestesses become wiccan root powderers is not clear to me. It may have something to do with the naturally creative presence of females.

My point is that the male of the species is detached from his confection of a sacrament or a child. He initiates a new life but is not the new life itself. But mother and child are in a sense inseparable for a long time. And for that reason when a woman brings the Body of Christ to life there is an inevitable confusion with her ability to "birth" life anew.

To keep this confusion from occuring the Church in Her wisdom has forbidden women priests.

Is this argument strange?

X said...

The Church does not disallow women priest, God disallows women priest. This is not a matter of discipline or choice or even tradition. Such an attempt at ordination is not merely illicit, it is invalid, in other words, NOTHING HAPPENS. Nothing and no one on earth can change that.

Cathy said...

Does this St. Therese of Divine Peace have a congregation or are they all priestesses and deaconesses?

just wondering said...

st guy, you really held your tongue for more than 10 years in fear of angering Catholic women??? i can hardly imagine what would happen if you lost that fear. the timman and his computer at "blog central" would probably implode. i mean that in a good way of course.

Mike said...

FWIW, Dr. Peter Kreeft of Boston College has a free, 1-hour audio talk online explaining in detail all the Church's reasons for ordaining only men. Among those reasons is sexual symbology.

His talk is here.

Anonymous said...

To X. Seriously, I'm not sure any human fully knows God's intentions here. I am curous how you came to know God's mind on this one.

I have two daughters, and one is an altar girl. Despite the fears above, I don't think that by her helping prepare the Lord's table for the Sacrifice of the Mass, she's going to become a pagan, animistic, earth-worshipping Wiccan powderer womyn priestess. Quite the contrary, she loves being able to help Father celebrate the Eucharist, and feels a special part of this Sacred Mystery.

Seriously, there are so many real issues in the world that need addressing: ten million people are on the brink of starving to death every day, half the world makes less than $1 a day, there are unjust wars waging all around the planet - and we're seriously spending time worrying about 'the evils of altar girls?'

God in heaven, spare us from ourselves!

StGuyFawkes said...

Dear Just Wondering,

Thanks for worrying about Tim's computer "imploding". As for holding my tongue for ten years, no, of course I exagerate. It's not my style to hold back my thoughts.

Nonetheless, touchee, you thrust at me a piquant barb and I salute it.

St. Guy

Jane Chantal said...

St. Guy,

I don't think your argument is strange; it seems like a legitimate analysis of the reasons it would be viscerally discomfiting to be in the presence of a woman "playing priest".

("wiccan root powderers" -- lol! Glad I wasn't drinking my morning coffee when I read that :-D )

Anonymous at 17:43: it actually is possible to care about both economic injustice and the injustice done to all of us when Jesus' maleness is mocked and parodied.

StGuyFawkes said...

To anon of 10/29/9 17:43,

For the record I too have a daughter who serves at Novus Ordo Masses. Like you I am not terribly concerned that she'll become a "wiccan root powderer" anymore than I worry she will speak in tongues, handle snakes and light herself after drinking gas.

Like your daughter, my daughter also loves helping the priest and taking a "special part" in the Lord's mystery.

Anon, I don't have a beef with girls serving Mass. (Although, I agree the tradition of making it only for boys did lead to more men thinking about the priesthood.)

Still, there are other ways of coaxing young men to think about a vocation. It's not crucial that only boys serve.

Anon, my point is directed entirely at the idea of women priests.

I find that the nuptial character of the Mass whereby the priest acts "in persona Christi" and is a bridegroom to the congregation is essential to our understanding of both Holy COmmunion, and sexual consummation within marriage, and to put it bluntly, human sexuality.

We have no clear image of the unitive character of marital intercourse except through Holy Communion where a male says to a female (the congregation) "This is my Body".

Now very few bridegrooms on their wedding night say such things to their brides for sure. But the image of the sexual act as a complete self giving, depends on the image of the self giving of CHrist on Calvary and at the altar.

That said, to put women on the altar as priests obfuscates, at the very least, the rich cosmic, and sexual symbology of the Mass.

Put women behind the chalice and you attack not only Holy Communion but Marriage.

Good luck to your Altar Girl. I have no fear that she will become a "wiccan root powderer" or start wanting to decorate altar clothes with the ovular imagery of Georgia O'Keefe.

Best Wishes,

St. Guy

X said...

"For the record I too have a daughter who serves at Novus Ordo Masses."
My God you're a shameless gelding. Please stop coming on here pretending to be a Traditionalist Catholic. No wonder you're posts are so tedious.

Anonymous said...

X (if that is your real name) - +1 for use of the word "gelding". That is all.

StGuyFawkes said...

Dear X,

Your calling me a "shameless gelding" can only provoke me to to compliment your exquisite taste in insults.

However, I was addressing an Anon. on the subject of "altar girls". I wasn't speaking to you.

Tedious I may be but since you have interrupted my (tedious to be sure) discourse on why women cannot be priests I would appreciate your discourse, tedious or not.

Can you give an explanation other than ponificating?

(You are not the pontiff are you?)

And by the way, how do YOU decide who is a Traditionalist Catholic? You seem to have a litmus test.

Please provide. Since you have challenged my bona fides may I ask for yours.

St. Guy

thetimman said...

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StGuyFawkes said...

Dear Tim,

That is certainly a fine photo of a gelding (one St. Guy would ride into battle at a moment's notice.)


Now a "shameless gelding" that is a photo I'd like to see. (Just how does a gelding covert shamelessly among the mares without anything to be shameless with....er..well.. that is a busy question for me.)

Good weekend to all!

St. G. (elding) or (uy)

just wondering said...

dear x - define traditionalist catholic, i couldn't find the def. anywhere.
st geldguy - i was rather surprised to know that your daughter served mass. i think it sends a mixed message to girls when they are allowed to serve. we currently have a seminarian in his 2nd year of theology assigned to our parish and he is only allowed to do the readings, he is not allowed to serve or administer the cup of Precious Blood. i think because someone CAN do something, it doesn't mean they SHOULD do something. far be it from me to tell you how to raise your child, but i was just wondering if you have had much dialogue with her on the subject and what her thoughts are regarding her role at mass.

StGuyFawkes said...

Dear Just Wondering,

I understand your view and respect it. However, I'm fairly sure my daughter has grasped that since only priests, that is, men are saying Mass she will not ever be a seminarian.

I happen to think that the mixed signal which girl-servers may broadcast speaks more loudly to liberal adults than to children.
And the adults who are deceived by this "mixed message" signal are for the most part already in the modernist camp.

However, I take your point and I will query my child about her future vocation plans before the week is over. I'll post the results here.

Not to change the subject, but if you ask me the real mixed message comes from the army of "eucharistic ministers" who surround the altar just after the handshake of peace.

None of those people are necessary. The whole idea of an "extraordinary minister" was to serve the invalids and shut-ins who could not come to Mass. That whole idea has been so corrupted that a platoon of cupbearers invade sacred space every Sunday.

It's all I can do to switch lines whenever I attend a Novus Ordo funeral Mass, get myself in front of the real priest, and take my Lord on the tongue.

It's the Eucharistic Ministers who are sending the really pernicious signal that the sacred substance is less than sacred.



just wondering said...

dear st guy, maybe they (the extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion)are being led astray by watching the girl servers in the sanctuary. "and a little child shall lead them..."
respectfully, wondering