04 April 2011

Not in a Million Years...

...Would I send my children to SLU. But that's just me.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Here's the thing: SLU is not that bad if you treat it as a secular college, which, unfortunately, is what it has become over the last 30 - 40 years. SLU needs to quit pretending it is a Catholic college.

That said, there is a lot of good Catholic work at SLU, but that work comes from students and a few helpful faculty members (see SLU Department of History), and not from the administration. SLU's Students for Life has raised thousands of dollars to help support education for pregnant women. SLU's Knights of Columbus annually hosts Lenten fish fries to raise money for various charities, in addition to the work it does promoting weekly student rosaries and protests at Planned Parenthood. And these are just a couple of the groups out there that a good Catholic can become a part of.

Unfortunately, SLU's administration promotes the Catholic organizations as much as it promotes the anti-Catholic ones.

- YoungCatholicSTL

Anonymous said...

Just in keeping with the Jesuits worldly programs of Liberation Theology and Humanism under the guise of Social Justice. Nothing new here.

~s

StGuyFawkes said...

Tim,

Obviously, the student body of any campus with any kind of Catholic identity would find Rev. Kaia just plain silly.

Still, SLU has been nutty for years and has only needed the Rev. President Larry Borgia, S.J. and Sister Namaste Lear to get a reputation for scandal.

Re: Kaia Stern. A quick "google" of her work reveals that she is primarily a prison reformer who runs a side business marrying-for-hire anyone who wants to consummate any kind of union imaginable. Jeez, is this the kinda work you get with a Harvard degree? Please see:

http://kairosblessings.com/

http://local.weddingchannel.com/Wedding-Vendors/Rev-Dr-Kaia-Stern-serving-nationally-Profile?ProfileId=331865


They used to call this sort of thing ‘simony’. One wonders, given Kaia’s dual emphasis on prisons, and weddings for hire, if she hasn’t officiated at the marriages of prisoners to their pen-pals (or cell mates).

Incarceration and marriage. Both can be a lifetime “commitments” of sorts.

St. Guy

Anonymous said...

I agree with YoungCatholicSTL. There is a solid Catholic community on SLU's campus. I found the TLM while at SLU and have developed a great love for it. The philosophy program is pretty solid Catholic-wise, along with the history program that YoungCatholic mentioned.

A person cannot be sheltered from the world forever. Also, the thing about those schools in which there is a homogeneous Catholic population is that they simply are not as challenging intellectually. I'll take a great education at a school with a mixed population over a mediocre or poor education at a school where all are orthodox Catholics any day. I am in school to learn, to be challenged, and to grow in my faith and in relationships with others. I can find the solid Catholic relationships and grow in my faith (there are four daily Masses, weekly Benediction, daily Confession, etc.) at SLU while still having the academic rigor that should be expected of a university charging thousands of dollars in tuition.

Anonymous said...

Anon 04 April, 2011 19:35, I am pleased to read that you can find an environment supportive of your Catholic faith at SLU. Just two observations: 1) None of those healthy Catholic initiatives you mentioned are developed under the auspices of the Jesuits nor the offical SLU structure; meaning they are always the result of the urgings of 19-23 year-old students who seem to know and love their faith better than their Jesuit educators do; and 2) you are incorrect in your critical generalizations of the academic rigor and intellectual stimulation found in any number of the orthodox campuses in this country.
Do critique whatever "truisms" you hear about such things.

Anonymous said...

Another anonymous SLU alum chiming in here. I'm sure my Protestant parents would never in a million years have sent me to SLU if they had known their daughter would graduate as a devout Roman Catholic! Yes, I can say that I am a Catholic thanks to the Jesuits: a rosary-praying, Eucharistic Adoration-loving, daily Mass-going Catholic thanks to SLU. I'm finishing an M.A. in Theology at a Catholic university on the East Coast next month.

I understand that SLU is not a perfect place, and I hear and see things that give me a great deal of concern. But, it's quite possible for someone to graduate from SLU better, rather than worse, for it. It seems as if you are giving your children a very solid faith formation. If that is so, then even being exposed to something like Dr. Kaia will not throw them off track. It may only strengthen their resolve.

Just another perspective.

Pace e Bene,
B.

thetimman said...

B.,

Congratulations, and God bless you. I get your point, of course, and largely agree. But I will venture to say that the calling and mission of a Catholic University is to do as much as possible to promote the faith, and certainly not to obscure or undermine it. That a well-formed student might have their resolve steeled by exposure to such a talk or other anti-Catholic influences is certainly true. It's just that I would think that the University's program itself should be part of the good formation, and not merely work by negative example.

I realize my post was extremely cursory and that there are layers of complexity not adequately addressed by a (reasonably, I think) exasperated ouburst such as mine.

God bless you and all students at SLU.

Anonymous said...

What is the difference between Saint Louis University and the Aquinas institute of Theology?

Anonymous said...

I think from the outside, it is easy to just see the negative stuff at SLU without understanding that there is a lot of good, too. I know several Jesuits who wear cassocks. Ones who say their private Masses in Latin. Ones who sit in the church for hours upon hours to hear Confessions. I know of many vocations that have come from the school.

Indeed, the negative things at SLU are troubling-- no doubt about it. However, I think a lot of good is often overlooked and that's really a shame. I would hope that students raised in the Faith would gravitate toward the good. If they do not, they probably had issues to begin with. I know students who have gone to orthodox schools and have done poorly and have lost their faith because it seems to be more blindly accepted in those universities (not saying that it is, just that it can seem this way)-- there is not the need to defend one's faith because there is no one for whom it must be defended. Many people do better with a challenge, the challenge that exists in the real world. What happens when those students graduate and have to leave the bubble? Also, a lot of the schools that many people consider to be orthodox do crazy things that I think would be more concerning to traditional Catholic families because they are done explicitly in the name of Catholicism. Steubenville is the obvious example here. On another note, I think it is beneficial for students to be close to home. I see no reason to ship an 18-year-old hundreds of miles away from his family (especially for parents who would be concerned about their child's exposure to heterodoxy). I know many people don't share that last opinion, though.

To the anon poster above, what orthodox Catholic university can match SLU's philosophy program (aspects of the grad program are 3rd in the world)..? Its nursing program? The preparation the school gives to pre-med students? Etc..?

Anonymous said...

Just to add: I do agree, timman, that there are problems with the school and I do not want it to seem like I'm denying this. I just get a little frustrated because I feel like the good is ignored sometimes. You are absolutely correct about the calling and mission of Catholic universities. Does SLU do as much as possible to promote the faith? I think we can agree that that is laughable. I hope, though, that if more faithful Catholics choose to attend the school, they can help change it. This, coupled with the younger generation of Jesuits, many of whom are very orthodox (hard to believe, I know :) ), could really turn the school around even more.