20 September 2013

A Modest Proposal on the Pope and the Media

No sentient Catholic can fail to have noticed that the Pope has made news through his press conferences and spontaneous public comments. The secular press has made much of these comments, which are generally reported to be either 1) changes in Catholic teaching; or, 2) changes in emphases of Catholic teachings that the press hopes signals future changes to Catholic teachings.

The response of some in the Catholic world to these fairly discouraging events is to maintain that the Pope being systematically and unfairly misquoted and quoted out of context by a hostile press with its own agenda. To these people, the Pope isn't doing anything but reaching out to the world with the constant teaching of the Church, and is being manipulated by the press through no fault of his own. This simple Pope, they say, just doesn't have the experience in dealing with the media to manage it all well.

Certainly the mainstream press has a definite agenda that is contrary to that of the Church. But there is one thing that I propose we give a permanent rest: the idea that the Holy Father is unaware of the reaction his words will provoke.

Can we stop blaming the secular press for all this?

He knows exactly what he is doing.

But, but!... But nothing. The first misquoted press conference, yes. The second even. Maybe, in an effort to stretch a best case scenario, three clunkers.

We are way beyond that now. There have been many such shocking reports about what he did or did not say. The blame-the-media crowd would have us believe that the Holy Father is too naive or unintelligent for the job. I give him credit for intelligence and awareness. The Pope himself has shown in press conferences that he is aware of the reaction to previous public comments.

He says things on purpose, and knows how they might be reported. He knows how they have been reported, even if he did not intend the things reported.

If you'll pardon me, you won't get bad-old-media line here.

So, then, why is the Holy Father doing this? Two general categories of explanations seem to be out there:

1. He is super shrewd, and engaging the remnants of modern anti-culture in a way people are not used to hearing from the Church, in the hopes this will get people to look at the Church in a new way, and thus draw them back.

2. He is trying to signal that the Church will not insist on enforcing doctrines, but instead will focus on the big tent, ecumenical approach to building the Church. Dialogue instead of ecumenism of return. The 'Spirit of Vatican II'.

For purposes of this post, I do not choose, and allow all to make their own call, as to which is more likely. There may be other reasons. Feel free to share.

But don't tell me the Holy Father isn't acting with purpose.


Peggy R said...

I agree that those are the 2 choices. We don't know. When will he reveal his agenda?

And all our cities can be like Quebec and Paris if he's for changing Church teaching. It occurs to me that we Americans go to Europe to see what she once was, Catholic Christian. The huge vacant cathedrals in Europe are akin to ancient Anastazi pueblo remains in AZ. I do consider the French revolution to be the first communist revolution.

I worry that the Holy Father's words are having the effect of weakening the strongest group in the church--orthodox believers, whether NO or EF attendees. He's cutting off pro-lifers at the knees. The media's misinterpretations make it worse.

I picture him making the way smooth once and for all for the "meal" mass, sitting cross-legged around a coffee table, er altar, as the guitars strum and bongos drum in the background.

Pray for Pope Francis.

Long-Skirts said...

Finally. Thank you for being truthful and not "spinning".

All I can do is pray.

traddadof4 said...

I largely agree.

However, there are probably two categories here:

Things that he intended (90% of the bad stuff)
things that he didn't quite intend, (but obviously didn't think through)(10% of the bad stuff).

In the latter category, I don't think the Pope meant to do this, but the practical effect of it is, as of this morning, we wake up with No Pro-Life movement, Gay Marriage in all non-Muslim countries a fait accompli, and a de facto “conscience rule” for couples on contraception. These movements will not disappear overnight, of course, but the wind has clearly been taken out of their sails. I dont know how anybody can go to work this morning at the Archdiocesan Pro-Life office, for example. No, the Pope didnt exactly throw you under the bus, but everywhere you go now, people are going to say, "Get outta my face! Your own Pope says you're a nuisnce".

Anonymous said...

I have not read the whole text published in America magazine yet, but will do so. I did listen to Fr. James Martin, SJ speak to a reporter on his take about the interview. I would agree with what Fr. Martin said in that Francis has not suggested any change in dogma but that clerics and laity not get fixated on rules or teaching as the beginning of dialogue. The Church is first and foremost a community for all believers. Paraphrasing what Francis said in the interview, if there is any dogma which we hold true it is that God is love and we are all called to love one another.

--Catholic from Iowa

Elizabeth said...

Thank you for stating the obvious. Prayers.

Delena said...

Um, I think he needs to quit talking to reporters.

Stop. Cease. Just stop.

Nothing good is coming from it, whether it be his intentions or the way the media is reporting it.

I don't see atheists flocking back to the Church in droves because of anything the Pope has said so far.

X said...

Because he cannot change dogma, thanks to the Holy Spirit, he can only imply and infer that it has been changed and ridicule those who cling to the Magisterium. It's so much easier to stab your friends in the back than your enemies. What hope is there in a man who can look at a devastated vineyard and see a bumper crop? But rejoice, he's 76 not 58. Max Plank said that science progresses funeral by funeral, the same must be said for any hope of the restoration of the Church.

traddadof4 said...

The problem with the cant of "it’s just that dirty rotten media again, every single media major outlet (conservative, liberal; foreign, domestic) conspiring to throw the Pope under the bus again, deliberately falsifying what he said" ...
is that … the media thinks these are *positive* stories that will *help* the Church. They are not being anti-Catholic here at all, they are being Pro-Catholic in their minds. So if these headlines are a distortion, it's not because they're trying to mean to the Pope like they are often mean to Republicans. I think we have to accept that the media are trained experts at distilling the essence of what a person said, free of bias. And so they probably have the Pope *pretty much right* when they say:

Pope Francis: Church too focused on gays and abortion
BBC News
Pope Francis has said the Catholic Church is too focused on preaching about abortion, gay people and contraception and needs to become more merciful. He warned that the Church's moral structure could "fall like a house of cards" unless it changed.
Pope Francis takes issue with church focus on gays, abortion Los Angeles Times - 1 hour ago
Pope Francis says Catholic Church must shake off 'small-minded rules' ABC Online
Pope bluntly faults church's focus on gays and abortion Sydney Morning Herald
Pope Warns Church on Divisive Rules on Abortion, Gays, ABC News
Pope Says Church Should Stop Obsessing Over Gays, Abortion, Bloomberg
Pope Warns Church Focusing Too Much on Divisive Issues, Wall Street Journal

traddadof4 said...

I can tell you from my fb and twitter, Liberals and non-Catholics *love* this Pope. Here is an example: right now, the tenth leading tweet on a search for the words "catholi" and "pope" is this from Bob Cesca:

‏@bobcesca_go 19 Sep
I haven't been a practicing Catholic in many years, but I'm kinda digging this pope. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?hp …

The New York Times
Pope Says Church Is ‘Obsessed’ With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control
Saying that the Roman Catholic Church should seek a “new balance,” Pope Francis articulated his vision of an inclusive church, evoking gratitude and hope from liberal Catholics who had felt left out...

Will any of these people come in to the church? Of course not. There people *inside* the church now who probably belong *outside*.

Christophe said...

What a nightmare. He uses all the slogans and shibboleths that anti-Catholics -- both inside and outside the Church -- have been using for decades.

This is turning out worse than I thought it would (and I'm a pessimist).

Thanks Pope Benedict.


Anonymous said...

I lived through the sixties. Francis is doing the same thing to the Church now that was done then - he is turning it upside down. Only this time, it is easy.
He may be drawing a certain crowd back in, but he is pushing that many more Catholics out.
We're tired of this. Especially those of us who are experiencing a deja vu.
You are right. He knows exactly what he is doing, and he is doing it well.

Anonymous said...

What is this supposed to mean?

"And all the faithful, considered as a whole, are infallible in matters of belief, and the people display this infallibilitas in credendo, this infallibility in believing, through a supernatural sense of the faith of all the people walking together."


Capt. Morgan said...

His Holiness is a Jesuit. He was trained in the 1950's in an era of increasing modernist viewpoints in Jesuit seminaries. Just look at his comments on Thomistic Theology. His Holiness is a believer in the entirety of the Vatican II experience and all, or most, of the novelties which have grown from that Council and the ambiguous documents it generated. None of this should come as a surprise. And this, barring a miracle, will continue. Buck up friends. The orthodox trail is going to get quite bumpy.

Long-Skirts said...

Lorra said:

"...all the faithful,...are infallible in matters of belief, and the people display this infallibilitas in credendo..."


"We would sign the Credo with our own blood."

(You/Tube - Pater Franz Schmidberger, 18. Sept. 2012)

Many a Convent
Where good sisters pray
Because of vocations
The True Mass each day

Many a school
Which we pay for in tears
But a Catholic culture
Allays all our fears

Retreats, Seminaries
For souls to discern
To hear Jesus call
"Come, it's your turn."

And then there's those prelates
Who stop and deter
Yet worse our own kind
Who ignore and defer

Preserving not
The Whole Truth inherited
Believing the liars
Who assert they've not merited

As souls still drown
In their waterless flood
I stick with the CREDO
Signed in Priests' blood!

Anonymous said...

Long-Skirts, you make a good point!
Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Random thoughts ...

a.) Cardinal Yuk Yuk's interview pretty much says it all.

b.) I wonder how the folks in the prolife office feel after that big fat gut punch?

c.) Papa Francis plays well in Peoria.

d.) Point #1 in the post reminds me of a sappy protestant marquee tactic

e.) Why is it easier to call a long deceased Pope heretical and scandalous than it is a live one?

f.) Even if Francis would rethink his gay-athiest-agnostic-abortion-contraception "tolerance" preponderances, the cat is already out of the bag and difficult to reverse course.

g.) In spite of all this, God bless our holy Father anyway. He needs our prayers and sacrifices as do the Yuk Yuks who elected him.


Jane Chantal said...

Just going on record here (like it matters) that I, too, am sick over what is happening...just got back from a trip during which I was offline; have found the "America" interview, and obviously must read and digest it in order to understand what is causing all the upset-as-usual (ha ha, I wish that were funny). I did notice this gem a little way into the introduction: "The pope had spoken earlier about his great difficulty in giving interviews. He said that he prefers to think rather than provide answers on the spot in interviews." Golly -- who'd have guessed?

My initial reaction to the comments here and elsewhere is that two things that make no sense at all seem to be coming strongly across in this interview: First, the idea that the Church is obsessed with homosexuality, contraception and abortion. Huh? Say what?? Hey -- if only, as in "If only the Church were obsessed with preaching the truth about these things." I've been a Catholic for nine years, attended the Novus Ordo regularly during RCIA and at least once a month since, and have not once heard contraception or homosexuality mentioned during a Novus Ordo Mass -- not during the homily, not during the prayers, not at any point during the proceedings. The times I've heard abortion mentioned could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Nor were these subjects ever mentioned during the RCIA process. I have heard them addressed by priests who celebrate the Latin Mass, but not often. Obsessed?? Where in blazes is anyone getting THAT idea? [Answer: it is the World, not the Church, that is obsessed with these things. Don't tell anyone.]

Second: This crazy attitude of rebuke toward the Church for supposedly not opening its heart and going out and minstering to the sad, neglected, sick, and suffering of the world? Excuse me?? The Catholic Church has been busting its chops caring for the sad, neglected, sick and suffering for two millennia now, and would be able to do it far more effectively if THE WORLD (hello!!) -- including a whole bargeload of nominal Catholics -- would get over its love affair with contraception, abortion, and homosexuality.

Hello. Earth to Anyone. SOS.

Christophe said...

I do admit, though, it's fun to watch the Catholic Answers-EWTN types try to explain away the pope's assault on conservative Catholicism. As one wag put it on another blog -- WDTPRS now means, What Did The Pope Really Say.


excalibur said...

Google Maccarone + Bergoglio. Read the LA Times article. I cannot cut and paste on this site for some reason or I'd add the url. Search it, read it.

This is not good.

Anonymous said...

I hate myself for thinking this way, but here it is: I'm already sick to death of this Pope and his immature "look at me, I'm being relevant" ways. He has to learn and learn quickly (although it's probably already too late) that the Curia, the Vatican staffs, protocols, etc., are there to assist him to do his job smoothly; they know what they are doing; they are not archaic fools who must be tolerated if they cannot be obliterated. Please, Your Holiness, move into the (extremely modest) papal apartment where you belong and start acting like the Pope.

thetimman said...

Please, no anonymous comments. Last commenter give yourself a name, please.

Christophe said...

Ok, last comment from me. For someone who likes to talk about humility, mercy, and charity all the time, doesn't this pope come across as rather grouchy and mean-spirited? Sort of like Mark Shea?


Anonymous said...

Jane Chantal and Christophe, I agree with both of you completely.

I have to add that this has affected me very much causing sleepless nights. I honestly don't know what to do at this point as I am trapped in one of the worst dioceses in the USA.


Anonymous said...

Even though His Holiness' words may seem extremely concerning in some places, to feel anxious about his particular ideology on this or that issue is not worth the time, especially after just browsing something a secular paper whipped up Heck, it isn't worth it even if you've read the whole original interview. If you believe in the indefectability of the Church, what's to fear, as none of the changes he or any other Pope ever makes can send your soul, personally, to hell. We can quietly grieve and then pray that the Holy Father has the courage, strength, and foresight to make the best decision, but, in the end, we have our Mother the Church, no matter who is steering the barque of Peter. We hope that our current Pope and all Popes make decisions and communicate doctrine in a manner that will allow for the most people to co-operate with God's grace and not be scandalized. Instead of complaining, we should pray and set a good example. We all want our Catholic patrimony and we would all love to see the TLM (and only the TLM) in every parish, but, that's not happening right now.

Any Pope, as far as the facts on the surface go, would be in error who in his own opinion contradicts any dogma of the faith. Does it scandalize souls? Sure. But this is why we need to guard our own souls like the precious pearl and persevere in the practice of our holy religion. The mind of the Pope is not infalliable. Pray that His Holiness, may come over to "our" side, if you believe him to be lacking in this respect!

Everyone here reading this (I imagine - and hope) would love to see tradition restored. This is where we all agree. Let us find our stride in the role given to us according to our state of life and restore all things in Christ within our own lives. To use the oft-quoted phrase: Pray, hope, and don't worry.

Hey, the sky might even be falling this time, but we know how it all ends. The Immaculate Heart will triumph.

Someone I'm familiar with once commented after Pope Francis was elected that it's probably just best to not follow all this news surrounding His Holiness, as the devout peoples of times past were privy to approximately 0% of what was happening with the Holy Father, if they even knew the actual identity of which man held the office of Pope. When they did learn the news of a Pope, I'd bet my bottom dollar that their knowledge about him extended not very far beyond what name he took. They got along just fine.

How would we have even known that back "in the day" the Popes didn't say and do weird things or hold strange opinions in private? Imagine if some of the Renaissance Popes gave interviews! We seem to have a string of curious Popes in the last 50+ years, but your soul can endure it.

The internet has given everyone an opinion, and a platform to voice it. I look at what I say about the Holy Father publicly or out among people using Pascal's Wager as a template:

If I criticize the Pope's actions and the Pope is wrong, then I gain nothing because it is not necessary to my state in life to do so, yet risk my soul with the use of uncharitable speech and, in the end, any good that comes from what I say is negligible anyway. There is likely a better way to inspire virtue.
If I criticize the Pope's actions and the Pope is right, then that in itself is a slippery slope to hell.
If I don't criticize the Pope's actions and the Pope is wrong, I lose nothing because it is not necessary to my state in life to do so.
If I don't criticize the Pope's actions and the Pope is right, then all fine with the world.

Us laypeople need to take a chill pill and act accordingly to our state in life. Dragging the Pope through the mud on the internet is probably not the best method to achieve the exaltation of our Holy Mother the Church. I wonder, honestly, how Cardinal Burke would feel about your post?

Craig V said...

I can only cling to my confidence that the Holy Spirit will prevent this pope from binding the faithful to modernist errors. I am not confident that this pope won't try. Just exactly how the Holy Spirit prevents him is where it could get, eh, scary.

Pray for the pope.

Jane Chantal said...

Anonymous at 06:45,

There is much that is sensible in your comments, and we all must strive to be temperate in our remarks. However, I think that your characterization of Timman's post here as "dragging the Pope through the mud" is both intemperate and inaccurate.

thetimman said...

Thanks, Jane. And anonymous should put a name to his post.

Really, anon, just read the words I wrote.

Long-Skirts said...

X said:

"What hope is there in a man who can look at a devastated vineyard and see a bumper crop?"


All the world's
A beach
And all the men and women
Merely players…

For volley-ball
Flash mob call
Swaying hands
In the stands

Picnic up
Party down
Plastic people -
Molded town -

This plastic mold,
Hollow containers
Humbly bold

And to choreographer
Their eyes look up
But where is Jesus...

Anonymous said...

Wake me up when there is a change in the teaching of Holy Mother Church.

I won't pretend to have read the tsunami of coverage over the weekend; at some point there are diminishing returns. And yes, I appreciate the irony of adding to the cacophony with this concept. Anyway, here are a few disjointed thoughts:

1. Current Pope Francis kerfuffle aside, we live in a culture that is obsessed with gay rights in particular and sexual libertinism in general. The Catholic Church is a huge worldwide institution, and perhaps the biggest and the last to oppose homosexuality and artificial contraception and the sexual revolution. The gatekeeper of all of those cultural obsessions (and in some cases, the instigator) is Western media. So it's no surprise that any time any official of any substance in Holy Mother Church says anything about any of those subjects, it's news - big news. Someone should come up with a pithy statement along the lines of "If It Bleeds, It Leads" to describe the phenomenon. Holy Mother Church has been portrayed by the Western media as being obsessed with sexual issues. Make no mistake, Holy Mother Church is reacting to events, not creating them - it is the world that has changed, not Her.

2. It is also true that the Catholic Church is about so much more than regulating morality. Most outside the Church (and, I fear, some inside the Church, and in particular, many neo-cons) do not realize that. Pope Francis is absolutely right that the Church is about salvation first. It is from that that morality flows, and not the other way around. It is that which morality serves, and not the other way around. Do not misunderstand me: Holy Mother Church's teaching on morality and sexual sin is undoubtedly and undeniably true. It is not, however, Holy Mother Church's raison d'etre but rather subservient to salvation.

In charity and (perhaps) naivete,

SLPS Parent

(to be continued)

Anonymous said...

3. In light of 1 and 2 above, I believe Pope Francis to be thinking and acting proactively and strategically. His intent does not, however, necessarily mean that Pope Francis or Holy Mother Church wants a Church that hand-waves away sexual sin or accepts sexual sin. (And even if Pope Francis "wants" that, there's no guarantee that's what he will get, amirite? God plays chess, and we all play pong, even perhaps Pope Francis.) One possibility, which I suspect will rankle readers of this blog, is that Pope Francis likely believes in the opposite of the "small remnant" vision of the Church militant that is oft discussed - that is, a Church that welcomes more people in and attempts to change and regulate behavior of those within the fold. A 'big tent' doesn't have to mean an anything goes orgy of sexual sin, after all. The Church's teaching on sexual sins are hard, particularly in today's Western culture. If we believe that the Eucharist and Holy Mother Church are salvific, shouldn't we want more folks to darken the door, even if they enter that door as imperfect? (Cue getting painted with the Spirit of Vatican II brush in 3. . . 2. . . 1 . . .)

4. Yes, a 'big tent' Catholicism of the sort described in 3 above is messy, but let's not pretend that Holy Mother Church has never been a messy place - a 'field hospital' for sinners, even - for all manner of sin championed by the prevailing culture of the day. All of the doomsday naysaying is, I realize, attractive, even addictive. I engage in it far too often. But I fear that it all too often correlates with a lack of faith in the immortality of Holy Mother Church as an institution and Her ability to save. And I'm pretty sure the naysaying does no one any good, except perhaps as an opportunity to vent.

5. Is there danger in Pope Francis' strategy of leading souls some souls to hell? In a vacuum at least, perhaps so – the Pope said things that could lead some to conclude, with the active aid and abetting of the media, that certain sexual sins are no big deal. Realistically, however, I would think that the chances are slim that Pope Francis’ comments would be the proximate cause in getting someone to choose to commit or to continue to commit such sins (and the same would be true, I would think, the opposite way, of a fire and brimstone homily on the evils of sexual sin). The greater danger, I think, is presented to those who are not tempted to commit such sins themselves, but who could materially cooperate in such sins by voting for or otherwise actively supporting legalization of so-called same sex marriage or abortion or what have you. That act, if it rises to the level of material cooperation, is a sin, I believe. I pray for the Pope in these regards.

In charity and (perhaps) naivete,

SLPS Parent

Anonymous said...

I am the Anonymous from the post on 22 September, 2013 06:45

Unfortunately I am not going put a name to my post because my identity would be known to many here, and I fear a shift in how I would be perceieved and perhaps treated by those with whom I associate because of my comments. It's nothing personal. If I were just talking to the timman one on one I wouldn't feel the need to wear a "mask" so to speak. As we all know from Tim's original post however, things in print can be taken out of context!

Regarding my comments about "Dragging the Pope through the mud on the internet" that Jane Chantal brought up: I was typing fast trying to get ready for Mass and was running out of allowable space for my comment. Let it be known that I wasn't really talking about the timman or St Louis Catholic specifically, just a trend that I see a lot in the trad corner of the internet. I apologize sincerely about any misunderstandings this may have caused. Darn, the character limit on these comments! To expand on this: I am not saying that Tim was necessarily out of line, but by bringing the Holy Father's mis-steps to the forefront, I do believe it kind of encourages some trads to go crazy and say some pretty uncharitable things - "dragging the Pope through the mud," in other words. Anyone who dosn't believe me needs just to look at some of the comments above, or on other posts on St Louis Catholic, or on another sites like Rorate. That specifically was what I was referring to, not Tim's tack. Tim isn't responsible for other people who go off the rails, but if we know posting these kinds of musings that we pretty much know are going to inspire the same battle cry against the Holy Father. It's kind of a fuel to the fire situation. Should sons and daughters publish speculative posts on the internet about their parents, allowing the free world to come in and badmouth their parenting style (even if the parents are wrong)? Should spiritual sons and daughters do this with respect to their spiritual Fathers, our clergy? The answer is anyone's guess, I guess.

When I said, however, "I wonder, honestly, how Cardinal Burke would feel about your post," that obviously was about St Louis Catholic. I said this just because I am truly interested. Voris slams liberal Bishops and clergy all the time and seems to have the backing of some traditionally-minded Bishops (I believe even His Eminence Cardinal Burke himself even endorsed some of his material, if I'm not mistaken). So my question was, I wonder what Cardinal Burke, who we all admire, would say to speculation, like the post here, about Pope Francis. This is not a rehtorical question. I wonder this honestly. Would he say "yes, continue this," or "dial it back." Would he tell us to just leave it alone and become comfortable in our role as laypeople - without speculating in public about the Holy Father? As our mothers used to say: If you don't have something nice to say, you probably shouldn't say it. Perhaps the motto for traditionally-minded Catholics today should be: If you don't have something positive to say about the Holy Father, don't say it, because we are all already aware of the state of the Church.

May God Bless the timman and St Louis Catholic for all the good done here.

thetimman said...

Dear Anonymous,

I have no problem with your desire for a nom de plume, I have one myself, as you know.

The marking of your "name" is merely for easy comment and replies. You can choose "anonymous" to post and then put any name at the bottom. Like: Me, This guy, etc.

Or, which is easier, you can post checking the name/url box, and put the fake name there.

As to your points generally, see my next post on the comboxes.

thetimman said...

Proud SLPS, good points, and I hope you're right on most of it. I do think some of the comments, made with knowledge of their (mis-) interpretation by the press, absolutely do have the effect of confirming people in sin. The reaction by all of my Catholic family and acquaintances who dissent from these type of teachings now "de-emphasized" is that they feel vindicated, and no immediate return to Church is contemplated.

I do not judge the Pope; I cannot, and would not. It is fraught with peril and tends to do my soul no good. Hence, I limited my post above to exactly what I said and no more.

The Anonymous,

I suspect Cardinal Burke and every decent cleric who knows me thinks that I am indiscreet and imprudent. They would be right, generally.

I am constantly trying to improve; please pray for me.

As a conclusion, I will leave you with this thought-- frustrating for me, frightening perhaps for you-- I have intentionally sought to limit any post about the Pope that could be taken as negative, out of respect for him and concern for my soul. There could be lots more...

excalibur said...

Yes, we will need to see his first encyclical to have a better idea. I do not like however his attitude regarding the Argentinian Bishop caught with a male cab driver. That is worrisome. Hate the sin love the sinner but he seems to, as far as I can read, ascribe the matter to a political vendetta. As if!

He did issue a powerful anti-abortion message to the Italian gynecological society last week (see Rorate Caeli) That needs to be in every parish bulletin the next few weeks as the media ignored it. Powerful pro-life message in fact as he also referenced the elderly.



The Original Greaser Bob said...

An excellent take on the perils of off the cuff speeches by any Holy Father:


Long-Skirts said...

The Pope needs to be Mirandized before he gives his interviews…

“…and that anything the person says will be used against that person…”

God's sake!!!