01 October 2013

I Don't Know What to Say

I am back in town today after a successful work day out of town yesterday.   I awoke this morning intending to post my thoughts on two takes from the Sensible Bond blog (h/t Remnant) (one with the positives, one with the concerns) of the Pope's big interview with America Magazine that sounded many alarm bells in faithful Catholic circles.  I hoped to spark a bit of discussion.

Not now, though, after I read this.

If the Pope's words are accurately transcribed in this interview, I can only say I am appalled.

Being appalled at the words (even "off-the-cuff", but cf. here) of the Vicar of Christ is not a place where a Catholic wishes to find himself.  So I will refrain.  I am at a total loss.  It is the kind of interview which, if given by a known liberal bogeyman (insert your favorite), I could see parsing and commenting upon with a playful, ironic glee.  I will not do that here.

Do not mistake me, I do not despair.  But, really, every day is a new adventure. 

What are we to do?  In the words of a wiser and holier Catholic than myself:  Guard our own trench.

Mary, Mother of the Church, pray for us.
Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us.

14 comments:

ATW said...

As I read somewhere recently, I can't recall where, this paraphrase of a Russian proverb:

"God is high above, and the pope is far away."

Soldier on for the greater glory of God and the salvation of souls.

Emmett McAuliffe said...

Meanwhile the "Thank You Pope" banner that the Natl Abortion Rights Action League posted on their Facebook page is up to 3300 likes, under a heading "Now *this* is progress".

http://mclff.blogspot.com/2013/10/functiond-s-id-var-js-fjs-d_1.html

Christophe said...

Is the SSPX taking new patients?

-Christophe

Long-Skirts said...

Timman said:

"Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us."

THE
HEADMASTER’S
HARVEST

“They demand bare faith alone…as if they wanted to harvest grapes right away without putting any work into the vine.” (St. Clement of Alexandria)

Bare faith alone
Without work on the vine?
No abundance of grapes
Without toil…His design.

Prune, dig, trellis
To produce edible fruit,
The more cultivation
The stronger the root.

Then bring everything on
The truth to bear,
A sound education,
In a sound life of prayer,

As in the vineyards
Of LaSalette’s fields,
Mind-making plantation
Where souls, the Faith shields.

While in the green arbor
Under a Marian blue sky
Headmaster with breviary
On all, keeps his eye

Preparing for press
Full-bodied poured,
The unseen scents,
Zealous souls for Our Lord

Are the Headmaster’s harvest
From the Truth of the Vine
Breeding Christ Blood-fed branches
To beget more Sacred Wine.

http://www.lasalette.net/

Steve said...

You're still part of the Catholic church, even if you find yourself inclined to reject much of what this pope -- yes, he is Pope; the vicar of Christ -- teaches. As a Catholic progressive, I don't wish to see you wander off into the schismatic group founded by Archbishop Lefebrve, the Society of St. Pius X. There's plenty of room in the Catholic church for Catholics of different stripes. You're still part of the family, so I hope you won't leave.

Just one request: At some point in the future when a more conservative pope is elected, please do not revert to that behavior which is so common among traditionalists in the Church: that is, calling dissenters and skeptics "cafeteria Catholics" or "not real Catholics." I'll pray for you; you pray for me; let's all pray for the Church. And for my part, I will also be thanking God for sending us Pope Francis.

thetimman said...

Thanks, but rest assured I won't leave the Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

The pope does not govern, nor does he legislate, by interview.

Milburn said...

Dear Friends,

I thought there was much to like and much to dislike in this interview.

Pope Francis is trying to re-ignite an engagement with "modernity" without slipping into "modernism." Whether he can succeed in this is the question.

When he tells us that "everyone must pursue "the good" as he sees the good I am reminded of Pope Benedict's frequent warnings against the "dictatorship of relativism." Emmett McAuliffe's taking note of NARAL'S twisting of the Holy Father's words is enough to prove the point that the particular evil Benedict XVI warned us of is alive and thriving. Pope Francis seems untouched by any thought of this danger.

Our Pope Francis seems to be very focused on certain modern evils which cry out for attention. Unemployment and poverty are two. He seems less focused on the secularist empire whose "hideous strength" (C.S. Lewis) threatens to crush us all.

Whether Pope Francis can pull off the hat trick of strenuously engaging modern society without becoming modernist is the question not just of the hour, or decade but of his papacy.

The prospect doesn't look good but miracles do happen.

By the way was anyone else bothered by the Holy Father's letting the interviewer confuse "agape" with "philos?"

St. Guy

Long-Skirts said...

Steve said...


"...I don't wish to see you wander off into the schismatic group founded by Archbishop Lefebrve, the Society of St. Pius X."

ONLY A SAINT

Only a Saint
Could preserve so much

Only a Saint
Whom God would touch.

Only a Saint
So hated by Hell

Only a Saint
Mere man, Marcel.

Long-Skirts said...

Steve said...


"...I don't wish to see you wander off into the schismatic group founded by Archbishop Lefebrve, the Society of St. Pius X."

ONLY A SAINT

Only a Saint
Could preserve so much

Only a Saint
Whom God would touch.

Only a Saint
So hated by Hell

Only a Saint
Mere man, Marcel.

thetimman said...

Long-Skirts,

As an aside, though I am not an SSPX attendee, I did not mean to insinuate by silence that they are not Catholic.

But, I think you knew that.

Anonymous said...

Don't say anything. Just shut up and listen for a change.

Mary

thetimman said...

Mary, there's that charity we need so much!

Anonymous said...

Anything that has the neocon liturgical nitpickers ("they had how many candles lit at a LOW MASS?!!") in such a lather has got to be a good thing.

traddadof4 said...

Its surprising how little Pope-bashing there is around SSPXers. Any of the last three Popes, since the consecrations, hardly comes up in conversation. SSPX are not inveterate Pope-bashers. They mostly seek to "simply be Catholic" and find that, unfortunately, being directly incardinated under the Pope is an obstacle to that. Like a ship captain in a typhoon who is paralyzed with fear while the ship is taking on water. The crew proceeds to do what it thinks is obviously right, "for a ship".

I've never once heard an SSPXer muttering under his breath about the Pope. Sedevacantists, however, are obsessed with him.