04 October 2013

Two Takes That Ought to Make Everyone Feel Better about My Relatively Low Level of Papal Agitation

This piece in The American Spectator talks about the Pope that Jon Stewart has been waiting for.  It's language is that of the politically-conservative, religiously conservative-to-traditional Christian.  It is safe for all readers; you can agree or not, but all can discuss it.  An excerpt:
Last week we learned from Pope Francis that the Church is too preoccupied with the killing of unborn children and the destruction of the family. This raised the obvious question: If those issues don’t deserve top billing, which ones do? Pope Francis supplied the answer this week in an interview with an Italian atheist, Eugenio Scalfari:
The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old. The old need care and companionship; the young need work and hope but have neither one nor the other, and the problem is they don’t even look for them any more. They have been crushed by the present. You tell me: can you live crushed under the weight of the present? Without a memory of the past and without the desire to look ahead to the future by building something, a future, a family? Can you go on like this? This, to me, is the most urgent problem that the Church is facing. 
No, this is not an Onion parody. This is the Catholic Church, circa 2013, under the hope-and-change pontificate of Francis — the one Jon Stewart, Chris Rock, and Jane Fonda have been waiting for. They had long pined for an enlightened pope and now they have found him in a Latin American Jesuit so loose, so cool, so “spiritual”(celebrities always like a dash of “mysticism” in their liberalism) that he doesn’t fret over such fuddy-duddy anxieties as the killing of the elderly and the corruption of children (last week he reminded us that we shouldn’t see our culture as depraved) but rather their isolation and joblessness.

Now, this post at Harvesting the Fruit doesn't pull any punches, and frankly jumps right to the endgame.  Its conclusions are definite, and don't really give a lot of doubt-benefiting, so to speak.  It may cause the head of SLPS Parent to explode.  If you think I'm unnecessarily down, don't read it.  Enjoy your coffee, play with your kids, move along.  An excerpt:

Having absorbed the bitter reality of yet another revealing papal interview, one that somehow managed to offend Catholic sensibilities even more than the last, all but the most detached among us are now struggling to come to terms with what the future holds under a Bergoglio papacy.

Let’s be honest; modernist popes aren’t exactly the exception to the rule in this post-conciliar age....

So why then are Catholics today reeling in what appears to be an unprecedented way?

Simply put, because they should be.

I submit that compared to these two pieces, I qualify as Popeyanna.

And finally, to comply with the Fairness Doctrine, check out this much more positive piece about today's pastoral visit to Assisi.  Long Pants, read away.  An excerpt:

While the streets of the medieval city are crowded with pilgrims for the pontiff's visit, the atmosphere has remained a bit serene, with several saying after the pope's homily he had spoken to them "emotionally" and had evoked the saint.


excalibur said...

His Holiness gave a wonderful defense of life after that interview to the Italian gynecological society. One such gynecologist, an abortionist in fact, had previously laid the 'tools' of his trade at Francis' feet and has converted. Francis also gave a strong anti-euthanasia statement at the same time when speaking to the gynecologists.

This post of yours lacks Charity towards Francis who has so far changed no Church teachings.

We all need to calm down our pride right now. Wait and see what he writes in his first encyclical is what I have been saying here and elsewhere.



Anonymous said...

Many conservative priests I know, especially in the west (i.e. Denver), who don't have it in them to be critical of A-N-Y Pope, have taken to calling this "a messy papacy." Charitable and frank, loyal and anxious all at once.
"Fr. Temerity"

ToS said...

Oh look, Francis made some good comments amoung his many more problmatic ones.

Let's applaud him for acting normal (like a Pope should act) amoungst the many more problematic statements lest we be consumed with pride.

As long as he maintains a ratio of 1 good comment per 3-4 bad/problematic ones we should be fine.

Anonymous said...

The interview is too little, too late. The damage is already done. We've already seen the havoc that liberal churchmen who don't trust the work of their predecessors or the wisdom of a previous age can do. Have we learned nothing from the train wreck of the 1960s and the ways in which Vatican II was implemented? Please learn your job Q-U-I-C-K-L-Y, Your Holiness. We're not in a good position to survive too much of a trial-and-error papacy right now. Father Fulge

StGuyFawkes said...

Dear all,

Excalibur has one thing dead right. We'll know much better when we have an encyclical.

The future strategy for traditionalists and conservatives might be this:

The Holy Father, among his other sayings has emphasized the "principle of subsidiarity" an idea long loved by outlier Catholics who wish to escape censure. If the Holy Father is true to his remark I don't see why conservative prelates don't march forward with their own reviled "clericalist" agenda never fearing censure since the "servus servorum Dei" won't want to intervene because it violates the principal of "subsidiarity."

No question, the loss of a Pontiff who shares our views on ecclesiology and other topics is a loss beyond measure. However it may not play out exactly the way we fear.


Anonymous said...

Father Fulge, thank you for your clarity.

Excaliber, where do you find the lack of charity? How is youth unemployment and the lonely elderly even close to the most serious evils of the day? Do these physical evils supersede moral evils - acts of the later done by our own volition will keep us out of Heaven? At best it is confusing to the Faithful, and at worst misleading. Thankfully, we don't have an Alexander VI on the Papal throne ... no telling WHAT the spin that would be.


Karen said...

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

We still do NOT have the consecration of Russia. And we still don't know the third secret but it is surely playing out. Something to do with the hierarchy maybe? I don't know, just something I've read.

You just don't ignore the requests of the Mother of GOD! They are not optional or negotiable requests; they are specific and very clear. The Queen of Heaven and earth requests to be polite, but in actuality, it really is a demand.

Jesus will not tolerate disrespect toward His Mother. There will most definitely be consequences.

Pope Francis, who is supposedly SO devoted to Mary, is not displaying any kind of REAL Marian virtue in public. It seems mostly prideful and playing to the crowd. There, I said it! I pray to God that I may eat my words. But my gut is not feeling any radical change coming in an encyclical.

Even if his encyclical is loaded with traditionalist and strict doctrinal teaching, how are the faithful supposed to integrate that with what they have seen and heard previously and will probably continue to see and hear? Why would an encyclical suddenly sound like a completely different pope than we have experienced for six months? I'm not trying to be negative here, only taking what is factual and using history as my guide, albeit a short history.

But if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Attend Mass, Confession, and Communion on the First Saturdays. Say the Rosary daily. Offer sacrifices and penance.

Pray, pray, pray.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us and especially for Pope Francis.

excalibur said...

Anon --

No Church teachings have been changed. All the uncharitable words spewed out against the Pontiff over a few lines in a few interviews that change nothing. That is truly lacking in Charity towards Francis.

Personally, I have a problem with some of the things in the interviews and have stated as much here and on other blogs. But many, many are over-the-top in their criticism.

Youth unemployment is a problem, idle hands are the devil's playground. So getting in a funk over Francis stating this is totally lacking in Charity towards him. Look at what that idleness has lead to in the West! Yes, think on that subject well before attacking His Holiness over it.

Karen --

What Pope has Consecrated Russia? So to lay this at the feet of Francis is unbecoming unless laid at the feet of all who came before him who did not fulfill Mary's request

I pray every day that the Consecration is done.

An encyclical is official Church teaching, not necessarily infallible, but official. Remarks in interviews that have been more noticed I fear by the Faithful then by enemies of the Church. Perhaps we are all being tested by Our Lord to see how we react to a few words. I am afraid too many of us have not reacted with Charity at all, myself early on as much as anyone.



thetimman said...


I disagree that this post lacks charity toward the Holy Father. I certainly don't intend any lack thereof.

He is the Pope; I pray for him and he has my allegiance. His statements that are being so touted in the press are problematic-- and the point is that it whether he intends the media interpretation of these words or not, it is causing a lot of Catholics to become discouraged.

That's just a fact. We can respectfully point out this reality or we can let events steamroll us.

Christ has the victory. Peter is the Rock. But Peter (and all of us) are capable of some foolish words. Recall the first recorded words of Peter in the Gospel after Christ names him the rock, and how that went over with our Lord.

Karen said...


I agree with thetimman. The Pope, of all people in the world, needs to be extremely careful of what he says in public. Not only does he have years of experience with the media, but he has at his disposal experienced and, I pray, holy advisors and, hopefully, he prays much before any public discourse. I know this does not make him infallible but it should at least keep him from the incredible blunders (accidental? I think not) that he has been making.

I am not laying the failure of the consecration of Russia at his feet any more than that of any of his predecessors, but at the rate he's going, I don't see it coming. I'm just saying it NEEDS to happen. Maybe that's why we have a progressiveist thinking Pope in the first place, along with all the other ills in the higher echelons of the Church. I also don't feel that this post or my comments lack charity toward the "bishop of Rome", since I am only stating what I and millions of other Catholics see and hear and which blows my hair back! The Church focuses too much on abortion and homosexuality???!!! How in the world does one interpret that in any light other than the explicitness of those words themselves? We are fighting a BATTLE here! Statements like that shoot our own troops! There is no other way to look at it. And the Pope's words should not be so outrageous as to be open to many "interpretations".

Oh yes, we are being tested, no doubt! And this is NOT the way to respond to satan and all his spirits who prowl the world.

We look to the Holy Father most of all. The entire world listens to his every word, even the press! Of course they listen for different reasons than faithful Catholics, which is why he needs to be a beacon of absolute faithful doctrinal truth and of hope to those of us who feel sometimes like we on the ground are on the losing side of the battle. EVERY statement by the Pope needs to be carefully weighed before publicly speaking. And yes, he has made some very good statements, but when you put them up alongside the ones that are so very disconcerting, you get an extremely confusing mixture of a picture for Catholics and non-Catholics alike. There is no consistency, and so of course, the usual suspects will pick and choose which comments they want to run with. ALL statements should reflect age-old Catholic teaching and be extremely faithful to that teaching. That way, there is NO confusion, no "how do we interpret this?, no "let's wait for an encyclical, no "he doesn't have enough experience with the media, no "those were just "off the cuff" remarks".

Karen said...


Popes should not cause confusion or vagueness or glee for those that love evil. They should speak clearly, concisely and reinforce the teachings of Jesus Christ in clear, concise and unmistakable words. They should prick the consciences of those who are living in grave sin (not cause them to jump for joy). BTW, Michael Voris had a very good Vortex on conscience recently.

I don't feel this post or my comments lack charity toward the Pope. As I said, we are at war here. Does that not shake you to your roots? We need a strong leader, not a feel-good guy. Of course, we must care for the poor and the unemployed and the displaced, but the highest issue on the agenda is the crumbling of the Church and the loss or souls by the millions!!

This post is just stating facts and the feelings of the faithful (I speak for myself here) of being abandoned in the fight and left to the wolves. I'm praying madly for the loss of souls, the end the culture of death, and the sanctity of marriage and then I hear that I need to quit focusing on these things and pray more for the unemployed young people.

We don't have time to wait on the Pope to issue an encyclical to make clear to us what his real thoughts are on how he plans to live out his pontificate. He should hit the ground running and lead us in the charge from day one in a clearly defined way.

It's. not. happening!

At this point, although I pray for the Pope (and our silent bishops) daily and care deeply about them, I am from Missouri, so I respectfully ask the Pope, "show me (and us)". I'm truly not getting it.

God bless Cardinal Burke!

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us and for the Holy Father!