04 October 2014

Cardinal Kasper Considers the Words of Jesus Christ Insulting and Offensive

Mark 10: 2-12
[2] And the Pharisees coming to him asked him: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. [3] But he answering, saith to them: What did Moses command you? [4] Who said: Moses permitted to write a bill of divorce, and to put her away. [5] To whom Jesus answering, said: Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you that precept.

[6] But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. [7] For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife. [8] And they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. [9] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. [10] And in the house again his disciples asked him concerning the same thing.

[11] And he saith to them: Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her. [12] And if the wife shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.


Rome, Italy, Oct 3, 2014 / 08:02 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- In recent interviews, German Cardinal Walter Kasper suggested that while Church doctrine cannot change, it can be adapted and interpreted in different ways, and language can be softened when it is deemed offensive.

If an individual divorces their spouse and enters a new civil marriage without an annulment, the second union is “not a sacramental one,” Cardinal Kasper acknowledged.

“That’s clear. It’s not of the same level as the first one,” he said in a video interview with Catholic News Service, released Oct. 2.

However, he continued, it is still “a new situation of marriage” in which a couple is living together and “There is love, there is commitment, there is exclusivity, it is forever.”

He urged against using the language of adultery, generally drawn from the words of Jesus that one who divorces his wife and marriages another commits adultery.

Cardinal Kasper said that “to tell them that’s adultery, permanent adultery, I think they would feel insulted and offended.”

“Such a sexual relationship within a couple has also its positive values, it’s not only its negative values,” he said, rejecting the idea “that every sexual act is sinful” in such situations...

Article at CNA




9 comments:

Pete said...

Many things could be pointed out in Card Kasper's words. I'll pick just one thing.

He says the 2nd marriage, while not sacramental is many good things, including "forever." How is there any guarantee of that once there's been one divorce (by at least one of the parties to 2nd marriage)? His statement is patently false and cannot be relied upon at all. That statement should be easily dispensed with by supporters of the gospel and Catholic teaching.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how cardinal kasper would explain the new marriage to the children from the first marriage. Children see the new "union" for what it is - adultery against their mother or father who is not part of the new union.

Anonymous said...

Today I attended the non-catholic wedding of an extended family member. Two families, torn apart by divorce, Both couples remarry in vaguely Christian ceremonies. Most of the children from these families have left the Catholic church and wind up getting married in vaguely Christian ceremonies. It was one of those that I attended today. Plain, short, banal, non-sacramental, much like I suspect their marriage will be.

All of these couple dozen people, the divorced and remarried parents, their children with children out of wedlock now getting married outside the church, none of them are following the Synod events at all. If/when it finally breaks through into the mainstream news cycle, they would undoubtedly see Kasper's solution as humane, proper, overdue, and just plain common sense. Don't even get me started on how they'd view Burke.

My point is that very soon, our ideological opponents won't be Kasper and his ilk, it will be all those people. How we deal with them and respond to them will be crucial.

greenlight

Barto the Barbarian said...

According to Kasper, the Church today finds itself in a similar situation to what it was in after the last Council, the Second Vatican Council. Back then too, there were encyclicals, pronouncements and decisions issued by the Holy Office on questions such as ecumenism and religious freedom, which seemed to preclude other possible solutions. The Second Vatican Council opened some new doors without violating the Church’s sacred dogmatic tradition. So the cardinal wonders whether in a similar manner, this cannot be taken further, extending change to the situation of remarried divorcees but without wiping out the core tradition of the faith.
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/kasper-32230/

The fifth section of Cardinal Kasper’s address is the most controversial. In this section he discusses the difficulties faced by Catholics who are divorced and remarried civilly. He affirms the indissolubility of sacramental matrimony and the impossibility of a new marriage while the other spouse is still living. He describes this as “part of the tradition of the binding faith of the Church and it cannot be abandoned or dissolved by an appeal to a superficial comprehension of a cheap type of mercy.” Nevertheless, the Cardinal wonders whether the door might be open to further development regarding the pastoral care of the divorced and remarried without abandoning the binding tradition of the faith. By way of comparison, he mentions how Vatican II was able to develop the Church’s response to the questions of ecumenism and religious freedom without violating traditional doctrine. In this regard, Cardinal Kasper suggests that divorced and remarried Catholics can be allowed to receive Holy Communion in individual cases under certain conditions after an appropriate penance.
http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/a-reflection-on-cardinal-kasper-s-speech-on-the-family

On March 1 on the website Corrispondenza romana, Professor Roberto de Mattei published an analysis of the talk by Cardinal Kasper entitled “The culture revolution of Cardinal Kasper” and explained what this revolution consists of: “The doctrine does not change; the only novelty concerns pastoral practice. The slogan, which has been repeated for a year now, reassures on the one hand those conservatives who gauge everything in terms of doctrinal declarations, and on the other hand it encourages the progressives who attach little importance to doctrine and entrust everything to the primacy of practice.” In effect, the Italian university professor continues, “Cardinal Kasper’s point of departure is the observation that there has come to be a gulf between the Church’s doctrine on marriage and the family, and the convictions held by many Christians.” The method to be adopted according to Kasper, Roberto de Mattei continues, is the method followed by the Second Vatican Council on the question of ecumenism and religious liberty: change the doctrine without showing that it is being modified. “The Council,” the German prelate says, “opened the doors without violating the compulsory dogmatic tradition.” – And “the smoke of Satan” crept in…
http://www.dici.org/en/news/keeping-up-confusion-on-the-situation-of-the-divorced-and-remarried/

Karen said...

Barto,

Your last paragraph says it all. Until there is an act of divine intervention, whatever form it will take, that is how the scenario post-synod will unfold. And the sleepers of either kind - conservative or progressive - will all be lulled by that opiate smoke.

Karen said...

Oh, and btw, Canon Wiener gave the antidote to the smoke - the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary. He said we are "armed and the weapon is loaded".

I also found it interesting what his sermon did NOT say about the Rosary. He talked of 150 Hail Marys, and 5 Our Fathers and Glory Be's.

Excellent!!

Long-Skirts said...


"Cardinal Kasper said that “to tell them that’s adultery, permanent adultery, I think they would feel insulted and offended.”"

KASPER’S POCKETS

The beginning of Wisdom
Is Fear of the Lord
So Wisdom with age
I’ve seen no accord.

So you’ve lived eight decades
Seen the world more than twice
But what have you learned
That sinners are nice?

That sinners eat
And sinners drink
And sinners read
And sinners think

And sinners have
Sincere desires
Like remodeling rooms
With art that inspires

And compels one to lift
His goblet of wine,
To toast all we want
And make want, what is mine

So all in modern
Society
Shall acknowledge their versions
Of propriety

And when you die
They’ll bring goblets, blessed lockets…
But they’ll realize too late…
Kasper’s shroud has no pockets!

Barto of the Most Holy Rosary said...

My question is this: Is a "line in the sand," a "red line," being drawn by those who are those opposed to the Cardinal Kasper proposal to permit the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried?

This was reported in the news: [Cardinal] "Burke also said whatever Francis thinks about a more lenient approach on Communion for remarried Catholics, the pope can’t change current church teaching because he and all bishops “are held to obedience to the truth” about marriage, and that cannot change."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/04/cardinal-raymond-burke-divorce_n_5915882.html

Also, Ignatius Press just published an anti-Kasper Proposal book titled: "Remaining in the Truth of Christ: Marriage and Communion in the Catholic Church." In that book five cardinals declare that the Kasper Proposal is an impossiblity. See: http://www.ignatius.com/Products/RTC-P/remaining-in-the-truth-of-christ.aspx

So Cardinal Burke speaks of "obedience to THE TRUTH." The Ignatius Press book speaks in terms of "Remaining in THE TRUTH." These are not light words. They are claiming that THE TRUTH is at stake. They are claiming that the Doctrine of the Faith is at stake. They are asserting that this is a matter of Orthodoxy vs. Heresy.

Will Cardinal Burke and the other 9 or so cardinals, who have publicly said that the enactment of the Cardinal Kasper proposal is an impossibility, "rebel" in some manner, perhaps in an action somewhat like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, if the Cardinal Kasper proposal is endorsed by most of the bishops and promulgated by the pope? Are they really drawing a line in the sand, or are they merely using strong rhetoric to try to prevent this new proposal from being issued by bishops and the pope? Recall that canon law requires all bishops to accept with docility all the decrees of the highest Church authorities.

Will Cardinal Burke really "go rogue," join the SSPX (who certainly will not accept the Kasper Proposal, if promulgated) , or start his own system of disobedient Catholic chapels, schools and seminaries (perhaps called the Society of St. John Paul II), if Pope Francis and a majority of bishops transgress THE TRUTH? Or will he melt away like a paper tiger? Will he accept the "new truth" issued by the pope and the bishops? And if he does cave in, how will he explain this, after so publicly and clearly saying that THE TRUTH was at stake?

And beyond Cardinal Burke, if it isn't too personal to ask, what will the Blogmaster of this fine Catholic blog do if the "impossible" happens, if this transgression of "the truth" by the highest Church authorities happens? Will he continue to attend Mass at the St. Francis de Sales Oratory, once the "new truth" of the pope-promulgated Kasper Proposal is accepted, defended, and implemented the archbishop of St. Louis, the Most Rev. Robert Carlson, and by the obedient priests of the Institute of Christ the King?

Pete said...

This is about the German Church tax. Fewer citizens are identifying themselves as Catholic; the Church's share of such taxes is going down dramatically. Kasper wants to get Catholics back in the fold to get his tax euros. He has no salvation or message of hope and faith to offer? There is a means to return to the eucharist. He knows it.