07 July 2015

At Some Point, This Will Be Very Serious Indeed

I have been trying to write this post for weeks.  Heaven knows there have been many incidents to spark it.  In fact, there is one nearly every day.

I know that this will be too much for some of you, and too "duh" for others.  Forgive me, but I need to say it anyway.

At a certain point, what Francis is doing and saying may cross a line that no rationalization can rationalize away. And we will be forced to make decisions based upon them, in a way that calls our Catholicity, or his, into question.  

If that day occurs, it won't be nice.  

Pray I'm wrong.  I am not predicting anything.  Call it a horrible feeling.

We all know the principles:  there is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.  Peter and his successors are the visible heads of this visible Church.  Where Peter is, there is the Church.  Easy. Except sometimes it isn't.

After the Great Western Schism was ended, and everyone agreed on just who the actual Pope was (of a group that included at one time three claimants), it became easy to understand that there really wasn't a schism at all, in the strict sense.  Because all Catholics adhered to the Pope-- the person they believed to be Pope.  Hence, it really was a mistake of fact.  There were canonized Saints who adhered to one or the other of the claimants, some Saints actually following an anti-pope, through no fault of their own and in good faith.

I mean, we can read now in history books just who the rightful Pope was during that time, and it seems nice and clinical.  But it was a horrible mess at the time.

Is the Synod in October the line that can't be crossed and yet rationalized?  We must pray not. But stories like this from CNS are just as discouraging as can be, and it isn't the only one: 



Families need prayers, mercy, courage, including from synod, pope says
 

GUAYAQUIL, Ecuador (CNS) -- Even if a pastoral proposal for helping a Catholic family with problems seems scandalous at first, it is possible God could use that proposal to bring healing and holiness, Pope Francis said.

Encouraging and celebrating family life during a Mass July 6 in Guayaquil, Pope Francis asked people to pray for the October Synod of Bishops on the family, and he tied the synod to the Jubilee of Mercy, a yearlong celebration that will begin in December.

The synod will be a time for the church to "deepen her spiritual discernment and consider concrete solutions to the many difficult and significant challenges facing families in our time," the pope said.

Celebrating Mass with as many as 1 million people gathered under the hot sun in Los Samanes Park, Pope Francis asked them "to pray fervently for this intention, so that Christ can take even what might seem to us impure, scandalous or threatening, and turn it -- by making it part of his 'hour' -- into a miracle. Families today need this miracle!"

[...]


As with the guests at the Cana wedding, who were offered the finest wine at the end of the celebration, Pope Francis insisted, so, too, for families today "the richest, deepest and most beautiful things are yet to come."



"The time is coming when we will taste love daily, when our children will come to appreciate the home we share and our elderly will be present each day in the joys of life," he said. "The finest of wines will come for every person who stakes everything on love."



Pope Francis said he knows "all the variables and statistics which say otherwise," but "the best wine is yet to come for those who today feel hopelessly lost."[...]

With all respect, if this does not refer to the Kasper proposal to sanction public adultery, wink at sodomy and encourage sacrilegious communion, to what can it refer?  

This type of speech is so typical as to numb the senses.  I am at a loss. Prayer is all that I can think of.

18 comments:

M. Prodigal said...

I do not know what this pope means by 'love' or 'family'. I saw a video of 'pride' parade with disgusting images, nakedness, etc. and signs that said all that garbage was 'love'. What does this pope mean by things that are impure that will take a miracle to what? be made pure? Does truth change? Does God change? Does offending God change?

If the pope approves heresy he will die for the Lord will call him to his reward. He dances around the issues at present which leads many to consider his approves of impure things and so they continue in sin.

Anonymous said...

It's important for people start laying down their markers now. If you think Francis is just great, what would it take to definitively change your mind? It's easy to say "Well if he came out and said 'Listen, there's no need for anyone to be Catholic anymore, just go ahead and worship Allah (or whomever), and do your best' then obviously that would be very troubling." No one thinks he's going to say anything that specific. What's the least he could say/do that would make you think you were wrong?

Same with everyone who's made up their mind he's irredeemable. I'm not talking about him throwing off his white robes and saying "Aha! I've smoked 'em out! Excommunication for Kasper, et al, and Latin Masses from now on!" What's the least it would take to cause you to rethink your opinion of him?

There's a frog-in-the-pot-of-water aspect to these daily quotes that we need to guard against. Where's your marker?

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St. Corbinian's Bear said...

Already there. It's kind of weird over here, but there's a sense of relief, too. "Yes, after all the tests, you do have cancer. But it is treatable."

Pete said...

I think the Holy Father reveals himself clearly now in this quote. I find it very alarming, to say the least. Prayer is all we've got.

What's that quote: "More things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of."

Pray for our African bishops and the holy bishops in the west to stand against this evil.

chantgirl said...

My spidey sense is tingling. For me, the moment of severe doubt came with the annihilation of souls comment from the Scalfari interview that has not been publicly corrected. *IF* the Pope does not believe that souls go to Hell, then I can understand that he would want to bring as many souls to the sacraments as possible (even if they are living in mortal sin) with the hope of "gradually" converting them. After that quote was not challenged by the Pope, I am left with these options : either he is a heretic, he is suffering from mental illness/dementia, or he is evil. For his sake, I'm hoping it's dementia.

I'm confident that the God of Surprises has some tricks still up His sleeve. I'm not confident, however, that the solution will be painless or quick.

Liam Ronan said...

He lost me forever when he suggested on Vatican Radio in 2013 that the Blessed Virgin Mary while at the foot of the Cross might have despairingly accused God the Father of being a liar.

Personally, I think we are at this moment in salvation history:

"And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time." Daniel 7:25

God knows what will happen when Bergolio joins his politically lawless twin Obama in Washington this September and travels to the U.N.

Perhaps the October Synod will produce this surprise:

"When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand." Matthew 24:15

Amateur Brain Surgeon said...

Saint Vincent of Lerins teaches us that evil ecclesiastical epochs are one way God tests us to see if we love Him.

In the original Saint Michael Prayer we are taught this:


. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may flee.


As a member of the Church Militant, ABS knows he must forever remain in the One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church despite what may happens when the Pastor is struck.

ABS, like all men are, was created to be a warrior, not a walk-out when times get tough.

Jesus IS the Head of His One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church and only He knows why God is allowing Satan and his malign minions to have such sway in the Holy See and why our perplexing Peter does and/or does not do what he does and doesn't do.

That is far above the lowly judgment of ABS to understand but ABS does know he can't control the Pastor, or anybody else in the Prelature, but he knows he must control his own self.

And he will.

No matter what happens, ABS will stand in Communion with his Bishop and Pope for that is the sine qua non of Catholicism and even if that means the Pastor has been struck, ABS will not flee.

He will stand at the foot of the Cross with Mary, Queen of Heaven and Earth, QUEEN OF MERCY for that is the way to Salvation and Sanctification for ABS.

It is time for all good men to read and then reread and then reread and essentially memorise the teachings of Saint Vincent of Lerins

Jo89 said...

The "Kasper proposal" refers only to the civilly remarried and Communion; it does not have anything to do with homosexuality, which was introduced into the Synod last time by a different coalition. The 2 topics have been intertwined, but everyone who supports the first idea does not support the second and vice versa. Good to make that distinction as they are vastly different issues, even if both are lumped under the banner of being pastoral.

Liam Ronan said...

I offer (in part) the following analysis of apostasy in the Church offered just 2 years ago in 'The Remnant'. Matters appear infinitely worse now a mere 2 years later:

"Could the great apostasy brought on by diabolically disoriented popes be what is spoken of in the portion of the Third Secret of Fatima that has yet to be revealed? Let’s consider the testimony of Cardinal Ciappi who read the Third Secret.

Cardinal Ciappi was a distinguished theologian from the pontifical household from 1955 to 1989. In a letter to Professor Baumgartner, the Cardinal made an astonishing admission about the Third Secret. He wrote: “In the Third Secret it is predicted, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”

Notice, he didn’t say it would begin “near the top”, but “at the top” – the same pattern we have seen repeated throughout history." Robert J. Siscoe writing for 'The Remnant' - "The History of Apostasy
And the Third Secret of Fatima" July 30, 2013

The entire article is here:

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2013-0731-siscoe-history-of-apostasy.htm

Thomas Lewis said...

This man is NOT a pope. Don't listen to me, just look at his actions. Follow this man and he will lead you to the religion of Liberation Theology, Communism, Marxism. But then who am I to judge, let him judge himself in all the things he has done, and said, and is doing and is saying. Close you eyes and ears, but he is spouting anti-Catholic Rhetoric everywhere.

When do you stop listening to this pope? Yesterday.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, thank you St. Louis Catholic for what you said and how you said it. It is a drop of water on Lazarus’ tongue. And Liam Ronan, you spoke the words that I could not articulate especially the Fatima part. I very much appreciate the Siscoe/Remnant link.
Jo89, the Synod did raise two different topics that have been intertwined. In my opinion though, the divorced/remarried and communion issue was the Trojan Horse inside of which is their true agenda: normalizing homosexuality.


Mary

Murray said...

Liam Ronan,

He lost me forever when he suggested on Vatican Radio in 2013 that the Blessed Virgin Mary while at the foot of the Cross might have despairingly accused God the Father of being a liar.

This was also extremely disturbing to me. Perhaps more disturbing was the fact that virtually no-one seemed particularly bothered by it. Do you know what's even more disturbing? He apparently said it again, just this past May:

I often think of Our Lady, when they handed down to her the dead body of her Son, covered with wounds, spat on, bloodied and soiled. And what did Our Lady do? ‘Did she carry him away?’ No, she embraced him, she caressed him. Our Lady, too, did not understand. Because she, in that moment, remembered what the Angel had said to her: ‘He will be King, he will be great, he will be a prophet…’; and inside, surely, with that wounded body lying in her arms, that body that suffered so before dying, inside surely she wanted to say to the Angel: ‘Liar! I was deceived.’ She, too, had no answers. (Meeting with a group of gravely ill children and their families, May 29, 2015)

All emphases in original, on the Denzinger-Bergoglio blog.

Anonymous said...

Murray and Liam,

Apparently the Pope has never read Ven. Maria Agreda's Mystical City of God. If he had, I doubt he would be so presumptuous to speculate about what she felt or thought. Probably all we are getting is Jorge projecting his own junk on our dear Mother.



Mary

Liam Ronan said...

@Murray,

Thanks for the update. I hadn't known that. Jesus wept!

I can only counsel everyone:

"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."

Aaron B. said...

This is a courageous post. As you say, it's a very difficult subject to approach, and you're going to lose readers just for broaching it, and more if you go further. But the papacy, as the Rock of the Church and the guarantor of the Faith, is too important to take for granted.

For me, Francis has proven he's a heretic dozens of times over. But I still had to study Church teaching on the subject to be sure I knew what that meant: a manifest heretic (and yes, his heresies are plenty manifest) is not a Catholic, and a non-Catholic cannot be the head of the Church. ABS's comment about "evil epochs" is beside the point, because the problem with Francis isn't that he's evil; it's that he's not a Catholic. He's not (necessarily) giving evil commands or living a dissolute life as some popes did in the past; he's preaching heresy and calling it Catholic teaching.

But I still wasn't satisfied, because if Francis is not the pope, how did that happen? Was there something wrong with his election, or Benedict's resignation? Are papal elections considered infallible? Or does this go back further? Sadly, the more I read of the writings and actions of Benedict (whom I loved) and his predecessors, and the documents of Vatican II, the more I came to realize that Francis is only more obvious and extreme. But ultimately, I don't have to know exactly when it happened; I only have to know that the man currently sitting in Peter's chair doesn't hold the Catholic faith.

But that's me; everyone has to come to this conclusion for himself. And let's be clear: this is not about judging the pope; this is about judging whether actions and statements are heresy, which is actually pretty simple. If they are, then the man committing them cannot be pope, so we're not judging the pope. We can still be obedient to the papacy and to the teachings of all the successors of St. Peter, even if we don't know who is the current one, if anyone. The chair has been empty for several years before, and there's no teaching that puts a limit on the time it can remain that way.

Also, for those who do believe Francis is the pope: please read about papal infallibility and the religious assent you owe to all his teachings. If he is the pope, you don't get to pick and choose and argue with the parts you don't like. We're required as Catholics to give assent to all of every pope's teachings, and certainly not allowed to criticize them openly.

Liam Ronan said...

On December 26, 1957 Father Augustin Fuentes, who was preparing to become the postulator of the causes for beatification of Francisco and Jacinta Marto, met with Sister Lucy at her convent in Coimbra, Portugal. Here, he was able to converse with the Fatima seer at great length:

"...Sister Lucy also said to me: 'Father, we should not wait for an appeal to the world to come from Rome on the part of the Holy Father, to do penance. Nor should we wait for the call to penance to come from our bishops in our diocese, nor from the religious congregations. No! Our Lord has already very often used these means, and the world has not paid attention. That is why now, it is necessary for each one of us to begin to reform himself spiritually. Each person must not only save his own soul but also help to save all the souls that God has placed on our path.

The devil does all in his power to distract us and to take away from us the love for prayer; we shall be saved together or we shall be damned together'."

Sister Lucy told me Fr. Fuentes): "The two means for saving the world are prayer and sacrifice."

She said to my cousins as well as to myself, that God is giving two last remedies to the world. These are the Holy Rosary and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others."

Regarding the Holy Rosary, Sister Lucy said: "Look, Father, the Most Holy Virgin, in these last times in which we live, has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary. She has given this efficacy to such an extent that there is no problem, no matter how difficult it is, whether temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families, of the families of the world or of the religious communities, or even of the life of peoples and nations, that cannot be solved by the Rosary. There is no problem I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary we will save ourselves. We will sanctify ourselves. We will console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls."

Here is the link to the entire article http://www.fatima.org/essentials/opposed/frfuentes.asp

Anonymous said...

I think the best explanation for what is taking place with post Vatican II Catholics today is how Jesus in Matthew 16:3 answered the Pharisees and Sadducees that they knew how to discern the face of the heaven (signs of the sky to know the coming weather etc.) but could not discern the signs of the time. They knew from Old Testament that Our Lord would come but they refused to believe. They had no faith. Our Lord gives us a clue to our times when He says when the Son of Man comes again, think he will find faith on earth? In other words, there will be no (true) faith on earth. Certainly there will be numerous false religions (devil influenced false man created religions e.g. protestants, muslims, vatican II New Order Catholics, buddhists etc.) as there are today but the "TRUE FAITH" i.e. the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH will be absent. This is why Jesus said think He find faith? Rhetorical question to impress there will be NO FAITH. I know it is very difficult for many confused Catholics today so all I can say is pray. Pray very much and ask Almighty God to grant you the grace to see and understand what is taking place and to see the deception. If you are of good will and truly seek the TRUTH, God will answer you. Jesus gives us this promise in Luke. Most Catholics today are truly not Catholics. Their tradition, religion, beliefs - everything has been stolen from them and changed by enemies of Christ's Church in order to destroy the Church. All of this was accomplished via the changes in Vatican II. If you walk into a Traditional Catholic Church that prays and practices the True Catholic Faith as it existed prior to Vatican II, you will be overwhelmed to the point of tears and quickly understand that the Novus Ordo is completely ALIEN to the true Catholic Faith. Then if Our Good Father has given you even a flicker of grace to know the truth in your heart - you will become very angry questioning why all of these was changed and taken away from you and your children and that my good friend will begin your exodus to Salvation.

Anonymous said...

Satan's greatest deception is these end times is the Vatican II church. Enemies of the Church in service to Satan knew they would never destroy the Catholic faith or convert Catholics to another religion or force them to lose their faith so they did not even try that. Their strategy was to change the entire religion from within. The boiling frog anecdote best describes it. A frog placed in boiling water rejects it and jumps out quickly. But a frog placed in cold water that is S L O W L Y heated, will not perceive the danger, not jump out and eventually will be cooked to death. The frogs in this case are Vatican II new order Catholics who, out of a false obedience, have held to the ALIEN imposter church of Satan which is the vatican II church of today. Remember obedience to a false religion is disobedience to the TRUE religion founded by Our Lord. There is only one religion and one path to Salvation and that is through Jesus through the TRUE Catholic religion which has protected the true faith for nearly two thousand years up until the devastation of Vatican II. Our Lord tells us we shall recognize them by their fruits? How much clearer does our Good Lord have to be? Just look at the "fruits" of vatican II religion. It is a religion of apostate, pedophiles and homosexuals who have abused tens of thousands of children all over the world. Worth pointing out the punishment for idolatry - or worshiping false idols (false religions like Vatican II man made religion) is homosexuality. Well what more proof do you need. The vatican II new order church is overrun by homosexual pedophiles.

If you truly seek the truth, Our Good Father will grant you the grace to understand and you will be the frog who jumps out quickly. But if you just want to go to some building somewhere to hear some effeminate comedian in religious garb talk about Jesus, crack jokes and say things to make you feel good about yourself and that you are not going to hell - then don't be surprised when things begin to heat up in your pot to the point of boiling - which unfortunately will be too late for your eternal salvation.