04 March 2016

The Presidential Question

Content Advisory: The following discussion assumes arguendo that any of this matters. 

The other day I confided to my brother that I think I'm going to lose all of my "Facebook friends" because of Donald Trump. You could have bet me a million dollars against that being the cause even a few weeks ago.  For years I've just assumed my whimsical, yet annoying, evangelization on behalf of Catholic Tradition and the Traditional Mass would be the cause. But no.

This post, I suppose, is an endorsement of Donald Trump for president, but I'm not intending to say he's the only possible candidate worth supporting under any circumstances. I could read with perfect equanimity a serious Catholic advocacy of Cruz, Trump, or maybe even the man currently inhabiting Marco Rubio's boots. No, advocacy for one's candidate based upon certain Catholicly-consonant traits is standard fare every four years.

What gets me going is the high-handed dismissal of Trump supporters (and in the context of my life and this blog I'll focus on Catholics who support him) as basically too stupid to notice how odious he is. And in so doing, the detractors buy utterly into a false narrative about the system in which we live and about their own candidate's honesty to boot.  

I don't care about Trump so much as I do his candidacy (which is and is not the same thing). And I say that every attack on him makes me want to vote for him more and more.  The GOP has been a fraud for decades-- if by a political party you mean a group of like minded people who stand for something different than the other party and actually try to effect their policies.  

If you disagree, we needn't go to ancient history.  Just look within the last 25 years.  In 1994, after the (then) largest tax hike in history and after only narrowly filibustering Hillarycare, the GOP ran on its Contract with America.  Lower taxes, definitively make Social Security solvent, stuff like that.  After a showdown with Democrats on the first budget, the GOP caved. Later on, we put Bush into office, and after a couple of years, a GOP senate and house. Though taking a step to cut taxes, Bush allowed a sunset provision in the legislation, which allowed these cuts to expire. His administration also greatly expanded federal spending on medicare, progressive indoctrination education, and entitlement programs.

Like his father before him, he got us involved in costly (in terms of lives and dollars, take your pick) wars in the Middle East. He perhaps had even less reason to do so. He supervised the installation of the ever-growing police state via the Patriot Act and the DHS. He and the Congress bailed out the banks with our money. More and more national sovereignty has been yield to treaties and institutions of international governance.

In all of these matters, the policies actually effected by the Republicans have mirrored those of the Democrats.  There is only the illusion of conservatism, or perhaps a slightly slower free-fall into chaos.  And the difference in speed is not nearly as noticeable as it used to be.

Finally, since we are pro-life, we are kept, like Lucy and the football, in a perpetual state of "just one more justice and we'll overturn Roe v. Wade".  Yet we never do get to kick that football. The game is so tantalizing.  Yes, there have been good Republican appointees, but whenever the balance on Roe and many other key areas of jurisprudence are involved, we get this: O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, Roberts. If even one of these had been a principled, conservative jurist, Roe is gone, Obamacare is gone, and Obergefell may not yet have come.

In my opinion, it is time to wake up. The establishment of both parties hates Trump, not because he's a vulgarian (I won't argue this), but because of the fact he talks as though he will actually oppose the one-party platform that has in reality ruled for decades.  

Trump's candidacy stands for the proposition of national sovereignty in foreign and domestic affairs, peace, a return to individual liberties that have been practically crushed by taxation and the tyranny of a P.C. outlawing of incorrect opinions. Though he is not the classic Henry-Hyde-gold-standard-pro-lifer, he states he opposes public funding for abortion and that he would appoint justices like Scalia.

Also, he has opened the acceptable range of free speech and debate on issues that the leftist establishment, aided and abetted by cowardly "conservatives" in government, has decided Are. Not. Allowed. To. Be. Held.  We are a short distance indeed from Catholic teaching on many issues being considered criminal behaviors and hate crimes.

I can hear you saying, "You can't be serious.  He doesn't mean any of this. He will say anything to get elected!"  To which I respond, "Then he can be no worse than any Republican elected since at least 1980."

And you know what?  He might actually mean it. And that scares a lot of powerful people a whole lot-- people that I am 100% certain don't have my best interests at heart.

So, I support Trump for Catholic reasons, with no illusions that he is some closet Catholic, or even that he realizes that his stated positions are most in line with Catholic principles.  He may in fact be a fraud.  But I know the entire slate of candidates apart from him are either evil, frauds, woefully ineffective, or some some combination thereof.

You think Lucy will finally let you kick that football?  Vote Cruz, with my blessing--truly.  But I refuse to take that run. Trump is the only reason I could justify a hopeful vote in November. 

And I ask the #nevertrump people out there: Why was I supposed to vote for McCain and the polytheist Romney, if you can't hold your nose to vote for Trump if nominated?  That's a question only you can answer. Go with God.

50 comments:

Unknown said...

I don't comment on your posts, even though I read all of them and enjoy them. This post is by far my favorite. It will also help me to explain to my friends and family why I support Trump. You've covered it all in one article and you've done it in a realistic and truthful manner, as per your usual. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

What The Bear said. Mary

Jim said...

The variety of people that are supporting Trump is astonishing to me. I have seen them from all ends of the political spectrum either vocally supporting Trump or slyly smiling and keeping their mouths shut when queried. I am supporting him.
His popularity is so astonishing that I fear for his safety. He is angering very, very powerful and dangerous people who will stop at nothing to maintain the mirage called "the status quo".
I pray that he will be safe.

gracem said...

I agree with you completely, sir!!

Hildebrandon said...

A-frickin'-men, brother. Glad to see you're on Team Trump!

St. Corbinian's Bear said...

If someone convinces me that Trump does not propose to conduct retaliatory murders on family members of terrorists at home and abroad, I will give him another look. But for that, I would tend to agree with you.

Lynne said...

Thank you! This --> "Then he can be no worse than any Republican elected since at least 1980."

I'm tired of being jerked around.

Jane Chantal said...

Well said, Timman.

Delena said...

Well...dang.

As someone who thinks our entire political system is a joke and one big charade, I have to agree with you here...and I realy hate that I'm agreeing with you about Trump! *gag*

"Then he can be no worse than any Republican elected since at least 1980." *applause*

Anonymous said...

Thank you!

Laura

Anonymous said...

All of the above and more. I also read all your blogs, but rarely comment. I enjoy your perspective, truly, and enjoy reading about the pre-Vatican II perspective, as "modern" Catholicism is all I know, but figure your audience must be specialized. However, this take on Trump's candidacy is something that a wide variety of people, across many different religions and perspectives will get. I'm going to be showing my Protestant Inlaws, my Evangelical friends, my Jewish neighbors, and anyone else who questions this phenomenon.

Pete said...

Well done. This is how I see things as well. The GOP has lied too long. If it wasn't apparent before the refusal to take on Barack Obama on behalf of the American people, on behalf of their own voters, completely removed the mask. Indeed, Trump can be no worse than any GOPer has been. It was a great triumph to kick Jeb out of the race. The work is not done, however. Trump needs to remain firm on immigration control. That is his key issue that unites Americans from all walks of life. It will get him elected. He has also blown the lid off the money game of politics when he speaks frankly about his contributions. He annoys both the pols and the crony capitalists.

Agnes B. Bullock said...

Thank you for this post. I support Mr. Trump foer the reasons that you so eruditely outlined.

Anonymous said...

Finally a Catholic blogger that gets it! Thank you!, We are one election from the North American Union being implemented by the Oligarch Globalist. They have hijacked our media, our 2 parties, and our economy. Trump signed on after being asked by a group of wealthy nationalist. It saddens me to see so many like Mundy and Louie not do their homework and lead voters astray. If you want to stop them vote Trump. Here is a place to get educated on what is really going on in this election
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/05/video-why-senator-jeff-sessions-did-not-endorse-senator-ted-cruz/

Texas she-Catholic said...

Amen.
After decades of voting "pro-life" i.e. mainstream Republican candidates (since 1980), I voted for Trump in the Texas Primary four days ago. And for many of the reasons you cite. Plus a few additional ones of my own.

Liam Ronan said...

My belief is that we, as Catholics, are obliged and have a duty before God to vote for the man or woman we believe best embodies and will likely support the ethic of Christ's Kingship, whether that man or woman is on the ballot or no. One can write-in the name of a candidate not on the ballot.

I believe holding one's nose and voting the lesser of two evils is not morally acceptable when there are alternatives even though those alternatives seem (to our eyes) unlikely to prevail. My opinion is we ought trust in God and do the morally correct thing. Nothing is impossible for God.

"...Do not put your trust in princes; they are but men, they have no power to save. As soon as the breath leaves his body, man goes back to the dust he belongs to; with that, all his designs will come to nothing. Happier the man who turns to the God of Jacob for help, puts no confidence but in the Lord his God, maker of heaven and earth and sea and all they contain; the God who keeps faith for ever, who redresses wrong, and gives food to the hungry..." Psalm 146: 2-7

Patty said...

@St. Corbinian's Bear

Trump's position is not that the US would conduct a retaliatory strike one someone's family, but rather to put it out there that one's family isn't off limits with regard to investigation and potential criminal charges.

Sorry, but hiding behind the wife and kids happens often... and very often they know exactly what is going on. The hands-off families policy of the US may sound great - but is exploited by the enemy who also make a habit of using their wife/children like shields in order to safeguard themselves and continue activities that cost countless lives.

As a former military wife, this kind of policy, to include outrageous "Rules of Engagement" are frustrating beyond belief. Not because there is a desire to harm innocent people, but because the enemy doesn't think twice about putting their own families in danger because they rely on US sensibilities to keep them safe. That prolongs wars, terrorist activities, the risk of our own men at arms who must go out to capture/kill etc and are having to jump through hoopity hoops to do it.

That is what Trump is talking about. I, for one, believe a more realistic policy on this issue is long overdue.

XFitr4Life said...

Excellent article... You describe my thoughts exactly.

Anonymous said...

After the Sour Grapes Show yesterday, starring Mitt Romney, I have finally realized I have been had. For years I eagerly supported republicans, pseudo conservatives and what have I got??? A group of gutless wonders who have allowed my country to go deeper in debt, saddled me with a horrific health care program, and continued funding Planned Parenthood. I am ready for a outsider with a business background. It is time for real change. I am sick of career politicians. Two terms and their out sounds good to me! Go Trump, 2016.

James O. said...

I never post here, but I am thankful to see this blog post. It shows that rational Traditional Catholics do understand that we are being lobbied by the so-called "Conservative" party in order to get votes, but not to actually effect real change. We play this game every election cycle.

For many years, I have held my breath and supported frauds like Bush Snr., Bush Jnr., McCain, and Romney. These men were supposed to be Conservative bastions during election season. Everyone was told to come together to stop the democrat vote--all the while, forgetting that these men are progressives caricaturing as Conservatives. These men would rather rally around Hillary to avoid a Trump win.

The #nevertrump people are also the ones who will say voting third party gives liberals and progressives the win. No, actually voting the same way, time and time again, is what ensures losing every single time--on schedule--and is actually what gives liberals and progressives the win.

Another Traditional Catholic
James O.

Francis said...

Great blog - I too support Trump for many of the same reasons. Yes, he is crude but he’s my wrecking ball to the GOP establishment that has gone light on traditional Christian family values, and has gone too far on free trade to the point of destroying our manufacturing base that has caused many of the issues that have given creation to a Trump like candidate within the GOP to either open it up or knock it down. Right now it’s controlled by DNC-light people (“RINOs”) and ideologues that have decided to define “Conservatism” in a way that is honestly anti-Catholic and at best very pro-protestant and freemason. Under their definition Pat Buchannan, Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, and Rick Santorum are not conservatives nor is Laura Ingram – nor I. Additionally, the big tent of the GOP has included a bunch of libertarians that support any evil so long as it’s decide by the individual. For them abortion, gay marriage, drug use, Satanism, atheism, divorce, sexual depravity, adultery, pornography, etc. is all OK. This needs to change and the GOP will never confront these issues if they are not forced to by Trump that will knock down these walls and cause serious discussion of where things should go. Cruz is just another “Conservative” ideologue who, while better than the rest, will not deal with the fundamental flaws of the GOP. He will just again promise something better but won’t be able to deliver because it will still be open borders bringing in more foreigners that will not assimilate but will force their desires on the rest and more non-Christians that will further strengthen the fact that the US is no longer a Christian (much less Catholic) nation; free trade that will allow China and other third world countries to continue to suck out manufacturing capability and jobs; and will push Religious freedom at best in a form that does not respect Catholic sensibilities because he’s a fundamentalist who is pro-contraceptives and divorce. Basically, another W at best. I’m done with these things and want something better which I know is not going to happen with the people of GOP establishment. You’re definitely right, I held my nose and voted for both McCain and Romney even though it went against most of what I believed. McCain the “maverick” who screwed us on getting some good conservative judges on the federal bench when he sided with Democrats to not get rid of Harry Reid’s abuse of the filibuster rules or Mormon Romney who was not just the man who created RomneyCare but also a man who was pro-gay and pro-abortion when he was Governor of MA. I mean the gall of the guy to go out and say that Trump is a phony and doesn’t know anything about business after saying in 2008 that Trump knew everything about business (of course he wanted Trump’s endorsement and money) and after bragging when he was running for Governor that he was to the left of Ted Kennedy. Yet we were supposed to vote for him and believe his “new” positions in 2008 as a “conservative” candidate but we can’t believe Trump who was at the 1988 RNC convention and gave money to George H.W. Bush, gave interviews to Larry King in 1988 about being a conservative Republican who loved Bush for President, who supported George W. Bush in his election, McCain in his, and in 2008 endorsed and gave money to Romney. No he’s not a Republican because he also gave some money to Hillary and because at one time he was pro-choice (like Romney, Giuliani, Snow, Pataki, Bloomberg, and other GOPers at the time), and because he had multiple wives like Kasich, Giuliani, Gingrich, and yes Ronald Reagan. No I don’t think so. What the establishment hates is that he’s going to clamp down on immigration and try to implement some indirect tariffs on foreign produced goods and services by rouge US corporations operating beyond US borders. I think that is what the GOP establishment and many big business types really fear and hate. He could be as crass as hell but if he didn’t touch those two issues he’d be relatively OK with these people – the rest is a smoke screen.

Francis said...

I too support Trump for many of the same reasons. Yes, he is crude but he’s my wrecking ball to the GOP establishment that has gone light on traditional Christian family values, and has gone too far on free trade to the point of destroying our manufacturing base that has caused many of the issues that have given creation to a Trump like candidate within the GOP to either open it up or knock it down. Right now it’s controlled by DNC-light people (“RINOs”) and ideologues that have decided to define “Conservatism” in a way that is honestly anti-Catholic and at best very pro-protestant and freemason. Under their definition Pat Buchannan, Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, and Rick Santorum are not conservatives nor is Laura Ingram – nor I. Additionally, the big tent of the GOP has included a bunch of libertarians that support any evil so long as it’s decide by the individual. For them abortion, gay marriage, drug use, Satanism, atheism, divorce, sexual depravity, adultery, pornography, etc. is all OK. This needs to change and the GOP will never confront these issues if they are not forced to by Trump that will knock down these walls and cause serious discussion of where things should go. Cruz is just another “Conservative” ideologue who, while better than the rest, will not deal with the fundamental flaws of the GOP. He will just again promise something better but won’t be able to deliver because it will still be open borders bringing in more foreigners that will not assimilate but will force their desires on the rest and more non-Christians that will further strengthen the fact that the US is no longer a Christian (much less Catholic) nation; free trade that will allow China and other third world countries to continue to suck out manufacturing capability and jobs; and will push Religious freedom at best in a form that does not respect Catholic sensibilities because he’s a fundamentalist who is pro-contraceptives and divorce. Basically, another W at best. I’m done with these things and want something better which I know is not going to happen with the people of GOP establishment. You’re definitely right, I held my nose and voted for both McCain and Romney even though it went against most of what I believed. McCain the “maverick” who screwed us on getting some good conservative judges on the federal bench when he sided with Democrats to not get rid of Harry Reid’s abuse of the filibuster rules or Mormon Romney who was not just the man who created RomneyCare but also a man who was pro-gay and pro-abortion when he was Governor of MA. I mean the gall of the guy to go out and say that Trump is a phony and doesn’t know anything about business after saying in 2008 that Trump knew everything about business (of course he wanted Trump’s endorsement and money) and after bragging when he was running for Governor that he was to the left of Ted Kennedy. Yet we were supposed to vote for him and believe his “new” positions in 2008 as a “conservative” candidate but we can’t believe Trump who was at the 1988 RNC convention and gave money to George H.W. Bush, gave interviews to Larry King in 1988 about being a conservative Republican who loved Bush for President, who supported George W. Bush in his election, McCain in his, and in 2008 endorsed and gave money to Romney. No he’s not a Republican because he also gave some money to Hillary and because at one time he was pro-choice (like Romney, Giuliani, Snow, Pataki, Bloomberg, and other GOPers at the time), and because he had multiple wives like Kasich, Giuliani, Gingrich, and yes Ronald Reagan. No I don’t think so. What the establishment hates is that he’s going to clamp down on immigration and try to implement some indirect tariffs on foreign produced goods and services by rouge US corporations operating beyond US borders. I think that is what the GOP establishment and many big business types really fear and hate. He could be as crass as hell but if he didn’t touch those two issues he’d be relatively OK with these people – the rest is a smoke screen.

Oakes Spalding said...

Great post. Here you go, St. Corbinian's Bear. On Trump allegedly wanting to murder the family members of terrorists, see this fact check: http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-trump-never-called-for-murder-of-terrorists-families?cid=db_articles

Anonymous said...

What gets me is that you are basing your decision on very false facts. For example, NO, Justice Roberts should not have pursued your personal political preferences and overturned Obamacare. He acted as a Justice SHOULD act - that is, Congress passed a law. Fair and square. You don't like that law. Therefore, you should work to have CONGRESS repeal that law. The Supreme court is not there to overturn laws that you don't like. It is there to insure that there was noting blatantly unconstitutional about the law. Obamacare is a terrible law. But it is not unconstitutional merely because you don't like it or because you think it goes too far. Justire Roberts properly preserved the constitutional order. It is true that Republicans have appointed some bad Justices who turned out to be fairly useless, especially Kennedy and Souter. But that was only because Kennedy changed - to be fair, he votes fairly conservative on some things. Souter was the stealth candidate, who we were assured was conservative, but wasn't. We learned our lesson and now appoint only solid conservatives to the bench. So to put a nutcasee like Trump in charge, a man who has said his sister would make a great supreme court justice, is just complete insanity. Trump is the most untrustworthy candidate I have ever seen and the idea that some want to get him elected just because they are mad strikes me as destroying the country because you are mad about something. You have the right issues, but the wrong man. Go get a half way decent candidate and I will join you. But Trump is about as low as you can go. Look how the debated deteriorated into talking about the size of his member. That's what T4ump will bring us.

Anonymous said...

Here is your argument: "We know Trump is a liar and a cheat, and we know he will say anything to get elected, and we know he is a man who went bankrupt, cheated on his wives, cheated his business parters, brought in illegal aliens to work on his buildings, hires almost only illegal aliens to work as Mara Del Lago. We know he is a spoiled brat who inherited millions from his father, and is not a very good businessman. We know he is all smoke and mirrors. But he is saying the right things, the things that please us, and we know he probably doesn't mean them, but maybe he might.

You don't like to hear this, but I am going to say it anyway. That is exactly what people in Germany said before electing Hitler. They knew he was a jerk. They knew he had all sorts of things wrong with him. But they felt they should elect him because he was the only guy saying that he would turn everything around, and he was the only one who would stand up to the communists. He fed on their anger about their deteriorating country. Now, Trump is not Hitler. But he is the same kind of thing - the guy you KNOW is a liar, but he promises you the moon. He promises you everything you want in politics, but in politics, the fact is you never get everything. The guy who promises you everything can never deliver it, and he is the worst kind of politician there is.

Anonymous said...

The most difficult part of this post is suspending belief and pretending that voting for president matters.

BD

An American Ideologue said...

Here is my issue. to know a man you need to look at his fruits. it is easy to be a populist, that is what all candidates do regardless of philosophy. every candidate in our life time did not follow through on all what they said, including Ron Reagan. the difference is every candidate acted out in office what you knew in the person before they were elected. without going through every president in the last century, i will just say that without a doubt in my mind the determining election result has been a cult of personality. what we know from Trump because all the data is available he is a narcissistic, megalomaniac. what exactly has he done recently that would convince you he has repented and converted? i get the Ross Perot attitude here, i voted for Ron Paul in 1988 because he was an outsider, but also a good man. But as a broken man trying to grow in his relationship with God, i cannot agree to vote for a man who is literally acting out the unforgivable sin, who stated he does not need forgiveness. i can also tell you why Ted Cruz is the better choice based on his fruits, but more importantly can tell you why he is not running away with the nomination. bottom line is just like others before him who had principles, he is neither easy to look at, just ask any female, or when he talks, do you not slightly hear in the background, the sound of fingernails on a chalkboard. These are simply the sad reality of how we perceive charisma, which is what gets people elected. you are right in thinking Cruz could end of being just like those before him, but i think not. why, because of his fruits. i have never seen a man so disliked by his own party in Washington, yet his record as a senator and a solicitor general before looks as good as Henry Hydes. i beg all of you, when you think of cruz and you get that uncomfortable feeling, reason through it, because it is not his fruits that you feel but the wordly sense of attraction that is clouding you. There have been stories of many saints that were worldly repulsive. cruz is no saint, but his fruits are worth a reasoned review. God bless all of you and please pray for my journey towards God.

traddadof4 said...

Go Trump. Make Catholicism Great Again!!

and St. Corbinian's Bear .... he has reversed himself on that. But youve got to hand it to him for talking tough vs. Isis, the ppl who are holding a scimitar to throats of Catholics now as we speak.

And there is support among some theologians for Catholics using practices in war which would be considered immoral in other contexts. Look at the torture and Argentina in the 1970s, Which was in direct response to Catholics being tortured by commies.

TRUMP 2016, or Im staying home in November. Not falling for the same old GOP trick. Might as well let Hilary take things down to catastrophic levels ... the sooner the Catholic revolution will come.

Michael Dowd said...

Trump is the only candidate who has the potential of overturning our corrupt system where the Democrats and Republicans are in bed together at the service of Wall Street, Big Business and Big Government.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps there is a comparison of Trump with Don Juan of Austria who led the Catholic forces against the Muslims at Lepanto. The Wiki bio of Don Juan identifies him as a womanizer with at least four women and three illegitimate children. Moreover, he brutally fought the Granada rebellion of Muslims who had converted to Christianity. Wikipedia says "he assaulted the rebel stronghold of Galera. Fighting was long and hard and casualties heavy. When Galera fell, Don John had it levelled and salt ploughed into its soil. Between 400 and 4500 inhabitants were killed, and 2000 to 4500 survivors were sold into slavery."

Of course, imagining Trump as another Don Juan of Austria may be only wishful thinking.

Liam Ronan said...

I offer the following January 15, 2016 quotation of Raymond Cardinal Burke with the hope that his comments, both general and particular, might enlighten the political and eschatological context within which this present discussion is taking place:

"The devil’s principle works are confusion and anger and by that he sows division.

We are experiencing a lot of that in the Church today too, which is profoundly sad, the attempt to put one person against another and calumnies against good people simply defending the Catholic faith, claiming that they’re enemies of the Pope or they’re going into schism.

So you have a ridiculous situation of someone who simply defends what the Church has always taught and practiced being accused of being schismatic or being contrary to the Roman Pontiff. This is all the work of the devil and we have to recognize it for such and not let ourselves be deterred or intimidated by that.

A lot of that too is meant to intimidate good people, to silence them by making them feel that somehow they’re not being a faithful Catholic when in fact, they’re being a faithful Catholic in an essential way by defending the Truth of the Faith."

Excerpt, Cardinal Burke Interview with Teresa Tomeo on Catholic Connection, EWTN Radio, January 15, 2016

Hildebrandon said...

In my haste to approve this article, I did forget the ultima ratio of the doubleplusgood thinkers out there against Trump, which can be summarized as the following:

BECAUSE HITLER

In the face of such searing logic, I hereby rescind my approbation and divest myself of all support of things Trump.

Go Cruz, or, in essence, Go Hillary, as the resulting defection of moderates will make her road to the White House an easy one.

The Mailman said...

"That is exactly what people in Germany said before electing Hitler. They knew he was a jerk. They knew he had all sorts of things wrong with him. But they felt they should elect him because he was the only guy saying that he would turn everything around, and he was the only one who would stand up to the communists. He fed on their anger about their deteriorating country."

This is not true. Hitler was awesome. The Germans knew he was awesome. The Jews had taken over Germany in 1920s following the forced abdication of the Kaiser. The same things that happened in 20s in Germany happened in America in much of the 20th century and is still happening today. Know why we're taught Hitler was bad? Because the Jews (Allies) won WW2. That's why.

Anonymous said...

Donald Trump holds none of my values and therefore I know he would never fight for Life or Liberty... by their actions we will know them: Meet Donald Trump: The King of Sleaze by Rebecca Hagelin ~ http://patriotpost.us/opinion/40963

Ted Cruz, however, has time and time again stood up and spoken out for Life and Liberty... by their actions we will know them: Hon. R. Ted Cruz, United States Senator of Texas ~ http://www.fed-soc.org/experts/detail/r-ted-cruz

Peace & Prayers, ~Kathleen

The Mailman said...

Cruz is a Zio-nut. Yikes. You value committing genocide against Palestinians? Dropping white phosphorous on school children? Hm...not good.

Oakes Spalding said...

Trump as Hitler. Trump as Don John of Austria. We're not split on this are we? :)

Anonymous said...

Any Catholic who reads Donald Trump's raunchy interviews with Howard Stern just a few years ago, when Trump was bragging about who he could sleep with, should be ashamed of themselves for supporting this greedy, prideful, arrogant, dirty old man. It's one thing to talk like that when you're an 18 year old freshman in college. But this man was in his mid 50's when he bragged about being able to "bed" Princess Diana had she lived. This is the same man who supports Planned Parenthood, because "the vast majority of what they do is non-abortion related, and very helpful to women". What Catholic can hear this and, with a shred of conscience, still support this man? As to his character traits, this is a man who is teaching our sons and daughters that the best way to win an argument is to ridicule your opponent's appearance, and call him/her a loser. Hardly the behavior that Christ would recommend. Finally, all of you people who are taking Trump at his word that he will magically make 11 million illegals disappear are falling for the ultimate snow job by the ultimate carnival barker. It matters little in the long run, because, if nominated, Mr. Trump will be soundly defeated by Hillary Clinton in November. A vote in protest for Trump is a vote for Hillary, but then you shouldn't be too disheartened, because she thinks highly of Planned Parenthood as well.

Mary said...

On February 13th, on the national podium during the Republican primary debate, Donald Trump defended his support of Planned Parenthood, stating, "They do good things."

He said this after his comments earlier this year were brought to light. In case you didn't know, Trump not only supports abortion exceptions, he also spoke in favor of Planned Parenthood this past summer, AFTER the release of the undercover videos, saying abortions are "a fairly small part" of Planned Parenthood's business. That is absolutely and positively erroneous. Abortion IS the money maker for the largest abortion provider in the USA.

Trump is either extremely misinformed (which would be sad for a Republican presidential candidate during the biggest national pro-life debate since Roe v. Wade) or he truly believes that giving away free condoms and birth control are "good things". Either way, he loses out on life. And that's not a bit presidential to me - or the Catholic Church.

Anonymous said...

I realize this comment is fairly late to the party, but I will play the not-unfamiliar role of contrarian:

1) In the phrase “he states he opposes public funding for abortion”, the key word is “states”. Is he on record anywhere making pro-life statements before running for the Republican nomination? Any hint of donations to anti-abortion causes or pro-life lobbying groups? Right now, I have no evidence his conversion on this issue is as genuine as Reagan’s or Romney’s, especially since he has been on camera in the past saying he is “basically pro-choice” and complimented Planned Parenthood as having “done a lot of good for millions of people” only a few weeks ago. So do we trust him to nominate judges less squishy than O’Connor and Kennedy, who were nominated by a certain Republican elected in 1980?
2) Has Mr. Trump given any hint he is even theoretically opposed to licensing the “sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance” often noted on this blog? Any statements prior to – or even during – the campaign indicating a defense of traditional marriage or donations to that cause?
3) One (hyphenated) word: Thrice-married. Does this indicate Mr. Trump has bad judgment or bad character? And how will he firewall either of those flaws from his governance?
4) Mr. Trump claimed “Nobody reads the Bible more than me”. Do we believe that to be even remotely true? If not, are we comfortable with a candidate so flippant about the import of the Word of God? How about a candidate who talked about communion (of the symbolic, Protestant variety) as “I have my little cracker” – is that the guy that is going to defend the Church when denial of Communion gets turned into a civil rights complaint?
5) Mr. Trump has donated to, and complimented, people all over the political spectrum, including Hillary Clinton. While some (including Trump himself) claims that makes him an astute businessman, it says to me that he is utterly unprincipled, that he finds no moral value so odious he is not willing to subsidize its champions. If a Catholic law firm donated to pro-abortion and pro-life candidates because “it is simply a cost of business”, we would not exactly extol its Christian moral fortitude.

To be continued...

Anonymous said...

6) Mr. Trump’s primary qualification is that he has no experience in public governance. Please name another line of work where a candidate would be in the lead for the job because he/she has no experience in the industry. Should a struggling law firm fire all of its experienced lawyers – after all, they are part of the “entrenched system” at the firm – and replace them with history majors? For some reason, when conservative politicians do not achieve conservative legislation, we write it off as simple lack of courage, rather than maybe, possibly because governing is hard, especially when only one-quarter of the populace considers itself conservative and you need some of them voting for you to accomplish anything at all.
7) Mr. Trump called Mexicans illegally immigrating into the country “rapists”, allowing in Christian magnanimity that “some of them are good people, I suppose”. Taking “some” to mean “50% or less”, is there any evidence to back Mr. Trump’s assertion that 50% or more of said folks commit violent assault? If not, are we comfortable with a candidate willing to mischaracterize an entire population? If Trump had said “The Church is not sending us its best with these traditional Catholics! They’re robots. Some of them are thinkers, I suppose”, would we cheer Mark Shea as he says “Finally! Someone willing to speak the truth!” (Of course I do not believe any of the preceding, I am simply trying to make an analogy that will hit home.) Another flaw of the modern conservative movement is not the desire to have the nation’s most vulnerable border secure (a right and duty for the world’s number one terrorist target), but talking about people so desperate they leave a familiar culture and home to trek hundreds of risk-laden miles to (illegally) enter an unfamiliar country in the hopes of finding work as if their criminality is the same as the guy who sells heroin to school children for fun money; the only candidate I ever heard mention the possibility that folks perhaps do not immigrate for the sheer rush of lawbreaking was Jeb Bush, and he of course got excoriated.
8) Mr. Trump’s ingenious security plan is to simply ban Muslims from entering. As if an ISIS terrorist bent on entering the country to cause a mass casualty event, when asked “Are you a Muslim?”, is going to say “Well, didn’t see that one coming – you got me there”. If Tony Blair had proposed the UK banning all visits by Irish Catholics because of the IRA, would we have applauded?

I realize this post is long on snark, but politics get people riled, especially when Mr. Trump’s nomination is one of the few things that would convince secular liberals that miracles really do happen after all; unless Hillary Clinton is indicted… ahem, by the Obama Justice Department… she beats Trump handily, leaving a split GOP (since Mr. Trump will never admit any fault, and his supporters will blame lack of support from the GOP establishment) unable to mount any sort of congressional or presidential challenge for a decade or more. Do not mistake Democratic lukewarmness in showing up to vote for Hillary or Bernie as indicative of the numbers that will show up in November to vote against Trump. His primary appeal is that “he doesn’t care what people think”, and I suspect many of Mr. Trump’s supporters will be sorely disappointed to find that list eventually includes them.

Bryan Kirchoff
St. Louis

Kneeling Catholic said...

I'm kind of with you on this!

http://kneelingcatholic.blogspot.com/2016/02/kneeling-catholics-comment-on.html

Adam L said...

Saying you support Trump is really no surprise, but to say that you "support Trump for Catholic reasons" really betrays your ignorance of Gospel teaching.

Anonymous said...

You think that the candidate who is threatening to change libel laws so he can sue the journalists/bloggers he doesn't like -- this candidate is going to protect individual liberty?

The same candidate who arrogantly said he could force the military to obey an illegal order under the guise of "leadership" -- before his advisers had to issue a hasty retraction?

The same candidate who is fomenting a personality cult, complete with demanding his followers "pledge" themselves to him?

Your point about the establishment is well taken, but isn't this going from the frying pan to the fire? Betrayed by the establishment, you're supporting someone who you already know isn't exactly trustworthy? And has already been all over the map? Do we know what he actually believes, if anything?

The logic escapes me.

thetimman said...

Adam L,

Thanks. Your judgement of me without knowing anything about me speaks well of your knowledge of Gospel teaching.

Anonymous said...

Great article Timman!

It's interesting to see how people think they know all about Donald Trump; however, one cannot really have a thorough knowledge of Trump's views by listening to anti-Trump soundbites from CNN and Foxnews. Those who think they know it all when it comes to Trump should take the time to research what he really believes. There are some good though lengthy youtube videos, as well as Trump's latest book called, "Crippled America." It's a good place to start.

Donald Trump does have some Catholic views, even if he doesn't know it. It has a lot to do with common sense and natural law. For instance, a government has a duty and obligation to protect its citizens, first and foremost. This is very Catholic, and something that Trump also believes in.

As a bonus, he causes both the GOP and Democrats to have fits, which can only be a good thing. The leaders of the Republican party believe that they should choose their candidate, since Americans are too ignorant to do so. They want someone whom they can control. They don't care about democracy at all.

M. Ray

Athelstane said...

I simply can't support Trump. But I do understand why some of my friends are doing so.

Anonymous said...

After the last debate Newt Gingrich on FOX news said that the GOP establishment will never support Donald Trump because he refuses to join their "secret society and club" aka Freemasons. ..to go through the initiation rites. " This in my opinion is another reason to vote for Donald Trump. Look who just endorsed Ted Cruz .. Neil Bush. The "establishment" is meeting on an island off of Georgia to draft plans to stop Mr. Trump.

Cbalducc said...

As usual, Bryan Kirchoff gets it right. He's the happy warrior for Catholicism in St. Louis.

JBQ said...

Trump is the anti candidate which is something like John the Baptist waiting for the emergence of the Christ. Sadly, there is no political leader of such. I am open minded about the Donald. Hillary in the context of the views of James Webb is completely unacceptable.

JBQ said...

@Hildabrandon: Hillary is completely unacceptable. Trump is the anti candidate. The far left radical Gestapo cannot be allowed to take over the running of this country. Trump is the best of the litter. There is no one else. The welps in the Republican litter are horrific. They follow in the footsteps of Mittens and the turncoat McCain. Trump is viewed as a third party candidate in the skin of the far right. I am not thrilled by the Donald. However, you are naïve about Hillary who is for unlimited abortion. How can you be a faithful Catholic and not call her to judgment? Be against the Donald but be for Catholic morality.