20 February 2009

The State of Things

"A dictatorship of relativism is being built that recognizes nothing as definite, and which leaves as the ultimate measure only one's ego and desires. Having a clear faith, according to the credo of the Church, is often labeled as fundamentalism. Yet, relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed and 'swept along by every wind of teaching', appears the sole attitude acceptable to today's standards."

-- Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Pre-conclave homily, April 19, 2005


Anonymous said...

Relativism is the great scourge of America. We would all do well to memorize this quote.

Anonymous said...


The quote from Papa Benedict said that just adhering to the credo of the Church can get you called a "fundamentalist." Tell me about it!

The priest at my parish in the Archdiocese of St. Louis said in his homily that the miracle of the loaves and fishes in the Gospels is just a literary fiction device, and didn't really happen.

After Mass, I told him I thought that the Church insists that this miracle and all the miracles in the Gospels really did happen.

He called me a fundamentalist--no kidding. Right to my face. Then he turned and left.

I wrote a letter to our bishop, but there never was any correction made of this false teaching.

I thought about writing him a second letter, urging him to issue a public correction, since teenagers who heard this priest say miracles aren't really might grow up thinking that God isn't real either. Young ones think like that.

But after writing about 7 letters to bishops, and getting nowhere, I've given up on them. I don't know what's wrong with them. It seems like they just don't care.

There's a movie out now called "He's Just Not That In To You." I think our bishops just aren't all that into God and his Church. Isn't that a horrible thought?

Well, give me a different thought and some facts to make it credible, and I'll change my tune. Until then, I'll lament.

Just for the record, Fr. Brian Harrison of the Archdiocese of St. Louis told me that what this priest said is actual Heresy, in that it denies the inerrancy of the Bible.

Fr. Harrison's writings can be found here: http://www.rtforum.org/lt/index.html


Anonymous said...


Tragically, the lie about the loaves and fishes has been perpetuated by other priests as well. Years ago, my husband and I were SHOCKED when a very holy priest mentioned in his homily that it didn't matter wether Jesus multiplied the loaves or his presence just encouraged the Jews to share what they already had with others!

This priest also believes that humans evolved from apes. When we asked him how we got a soul, he said that God "infused" the humans with it when they became humans!

It made me envision poor God looking down at these apes who started to get human features and saying, "hmmm, is that one ready for a soul?" "No, he still has the ape mouth, so I'll have to wait until his offspring are born and see if they have a human mouth!"

It is very sad that these priests are simply a product of bad formation. Then they pass it onto the lay people, who also don't know about their faith.

Patrick Kinsale said...

Yes, in my west county parish a newly assigned priest refered to the "miracle of sharing," as it is now called. We're now looking for a new home. We don't want to subject our kids to Cronan's West.

Anonymous said...

Patrick Kinsale,

There are some nice Latin Mass options available to you if you are interested in being told the truth about the gospels, and enjoy true reverence and respect towards Jesus in the Eucharist. There is the oratory of Saints Gregory and Augustine in West county, Assumption off Mattis Rd. has a 3:00 PM LM, and of course, the beautiful St. Francis de Sales.

Patrick Kinsale said...


Thanks. Been to both and very grateful for the blessing. My wife is respectful but reluctant. Some of our kids seem to understand the value of the Latin Mass, which is good.

It is hard to invest oneself personally and socially into a parish when a pastor or associated can be moved in and change the atmosphere almost instantly, and while AB Burke was great for promoting the Latin Mass, many parishes still suffer from wayward priests and pastors.

I was at St. Francis de Sales for a holy hour this weekend and was blessed because a priest was there to hear my confession, and my wife's.

Anonymous said...

Patrick Kinale,

You sound like you are going through what my husband and I went through about 5 years ago. We went to our parish church and were pleased, until the pastor moved, then the new liberal priest came, so we left, looking for the perfect parish.

We joined another parish, and realized it was a mistake as well. Then my husband was invited to St. Agatha's Latin mass by a friend. Then my husband took our family to St. Francis de Sales for the first mass there when the Institute moved in. We have been there ever since, and even though the priests have changed, we know it will always be just as reverent as before, for over 1,500 years.

If your wife is a bit reluctant, maybe you should try SfdS, as it is FULL of young families with children. Many people were not sold on the Latin mass right away. It had to grow on them. I think many wives followed their husbands to please them, and then ended up growing in love with the Latin Mass.

I think when you come to the point you are in, God is calling you to the only solution to your problem. The beautiful timeless Tridentine Latin Mass.

I will pray for your family, and hope to meet you following mass at St. Francis de Sales - soon!

Patrick Kinsale said...

Thanks for the prayers! We went to SFDS for the anniversary Mass, even though it was so crowded we could not see anything, and she loved it.

Anonymous said...


We are now allowed at nearly any parish to have the "Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite," which was generally previously known as the Traditional Latin Mass or the Old Mass.

I submit what we now need is the permission to have, at certain parishes or at certain masses, the "Extraordinary Form of the Catholic Faith."

In this form of the presentation of the Faith, no priest or catechist would would deny that Noah actually existed, or that the miracle of the loaves and fishes occurred.

I heard an "expert" say 2 weeks ago on the Catholic Answers Live radio show on WRYT that it is okay for a Catholic to teach that the whole Noah and the flood story is a fictional parable meant only to teach a spiritual lesson.

Parishes or masses that use the "Extraordinary Form of the Catholic Faith" would not teach such things.

What do you think?

If we can have the traditional Mass, why not also the traditional Faith?


Anonymous said...


If your wife loved the anniversary mass, then maybe you can lovingly lead her and your children back to SfdS again on another Sunday. Following both the Sunday masses are coffee hours with doughnuts. It is a great time to visit and get to know people. If you show up there, my husband and I will find you, as we are always greeting new people.

I hope to see you there!