04 August 2016

For Our Times

"Truth crushed to earth is truth still and like a seed will rise again."

-- President Jefferson Davis


Paul-A. Hardy said...

Words of a war criminal. Why don't you post these words on the slave auction block in front of the Old City Hall and while you're at it initiate the cause of Cardinal Glennon, who forbade Blacks to worship in the new St. Louis Cathedral.
My family knew the old war criminal. Our 'master' was his good friend and a pallbearer at his funeral in Richmond, VA. Do you think you can print a picture of the crown of thorns Pio Nono sent to Jefferson Davis whilst he was under Federal Government incarceration for his war crimes and sedition?
Also, why not a requiem for Hitler at St. Louis Cathedral in the Tridentine Rite. No doubt like Jefferson Davis Hitler's been misunderstood, especially by those perfidious ones for whom we pray on Good Friday.. The mass is merited, however. since Hitler was actually a baptized Catholic. The most we can say for Jefferson Davis is that he died with the desire for baptism, although today, I realize, that water baptism and baptism by desire are virtually the same. Kudos my friend! You've shown yourself to be a real traditional Roman Catholic.

thetimman said...

Hi Pierre, I guess only the quote offends you, and not who says it. One definition of war criminal I've found useful is someone on the losing side. Davis is too odious for you? Here is a quote from a war hero:

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say, in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." -- Abraham Lincoln

A short review of his glorious war plan by historian Thomas DiLorenzo:

"In The Hard Hand of War historian Mark Grimsley argues that Sherman has been unfairly criticized as the “father” of waging war on civilians because he “pursued a policy quite in keeping with that of other Union commanders from Missouri to Virginia.” Fair enough. Why blame just Sherman when such practices were an essential part of Lincoln’s entire war plan and were routinely practiced by all federal commanders? Sherman was just the most zealous of all federal commanders in targeting Southern civilians, which is apparently why he became one of Lincoln’s favorite generals.

In his First Inaugural Address Jefferson said that any secessionists should be allowed to “stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.” But by 1864 Sherman would announce that “to the petulant and persistent secessionists, why, death is mercy.” In 1862 Sherman wrote his wife that his purpose in the war would be “extermination, not of soldiers alone, that is the least of the trouble, but the people” of the South. His loving and gentle wife wrote back that her wish was for “a war of extermination and that all [Southerners] would be driven like swine into the sea. May we carry fire and sword into their states till not one habitation is left standing.”

The Geneva Convention of 1863 condemned the bombardment of cities occupied by civilians, but Lincoln ignored all such restrictions on his behavior. The bombardment of Atlanta destroyed 90 percent of the city, after which the remaining civilian residents were forced to depopulate the city just as winter was approaching and the Georgia countryside had been stripped of food by the federal army. In his memoirs Sherman boasted that his army destroyed more than $100 million in private property and carried home $20 million more during his 'march to the sea.' "

But hey, he won.

Anonymous said...

So Lincoln's racism and war record justifies the glorification of Davis? Even my 4th grader knows that two wrongs don't make a right. You try way too hard to merge your political and religious worlds. It ain't gonna work. Putting your faith in men will only lead to disappointment.

thetimman said...

Please tell me how the Davis quote in the post "glorifies" Davis? Is it a glorious thing to be quoted on my blog? I don't think many would agree with that proposition.

The character of Davis, or Lincoln, is not established by quoting a line they said. My opinion of Lincoln is unchanged by the fact that he was a great orator who has many true and edifying quotes.

thetimman said...

And let's just go all the way Orwell and drop Davis (or Lee, or Franco) down the memory hole. The stars and bars never existed. Tear down the monuments. Dig up the corpses from their graves.

Just keep going, and I guess I'll see you when you raze the Lincoln, Washington and Jefferson memorials too.

TJM said...

I think that quote is actually from a poem by William Cullen Bryant.

Also, a quick search shows that MLK also recited a similar line in a few speeches.

TJM said...

On another note, the contrapositive is also true: that is, if the principle does not "rise again," then it must not have been true. I wonder if Jefferson Davis would have expected the "truth" he advocated to have risen again by now.

Peggy said...

Maybe you should just quote one of Mike Matheny's poor excuses for his team's failures.

You haven't had a "Fire Mike Matheny" post in a while. I think you're due.

The world's going to hell in a handbasket I tell you!

Jane Chantal said...

Timman, your penchant for stirring this particular pot, thereby pushing people's "tar and feather him!" buttons, is making me a nervous wreck. I think it may be that you are trying to distract yourself from the pain of one situation you feel powerless to change, by irritating an open sore of less recent vintage. When the urge to do that wells up within you, can't you just post a picture of the Care Bears wearing Union uniforms, or Abe Lincoln stovepipe hats or something, and leave it at that? (The same folks would get angry, but probably would have lots less to say in response.)

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